Modern Classics - Wladimir Klitschko Vs Lamon Brewster I - April 10th 2004

Show us the 'documented fact' ?

All you need do is look at who Wlad fought next to see who ducked who.

His management put him on the come back trail. All over retired Sanders:rofl.

You think if Sanders mugged off Wlad with a rematch , his management would gift him with a payday and title shot with Vitali??
You're a fool.

They sent big bro in because Wlad proved he was to useless to get the job done.

 

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Owned. You don't take a tune of fight against the guy who just creamed you in two rounds. Corrie Sanders of all people:rofl

Authentic greats take immediate rematchs. Wlad is a phooney.

 

Revisionist bull****.

Why would Sanders not rematch Wlad when;

1) he had just easily KTFO him
2) it would be easy big money

If you think Universum wanted a rematch after that brutal beatdown you know absolutely nothing about boxing.

 

How did Sanders break his contract with Universum his next fight was against Vitali? If he had reneged on the options they had on him do you think they wouldn't have sued his ass and then frozen him out.

Sanders had 2 more fights that year so could have rematched Sanders then, but he and Universum decided to steer away from that option.

Yes Sanders vacated the title in december 2003, so he could then challenge Vitali, so he was WBO champion for 9 months, dropping the title had no effect on the possibility of a Sander/Wlad rematch. Infact dropping the title would have helped a possible rematch because the WBO were pushing for Sanders to face his mandatory in Brewster.

Wlad and Universum didn't want a rematch and the Brewster fight a year later proved had he fought Sanders again another early KO loss would have been inevitable.

 

Please, this has been discussed ad nauseum.

Sanders defected from Universum after defeating Wlad because he did not want to honor the options. Sanders then signed a promotional agreement with Lennox Lewis and Adrien Ogun who guaranteed him a title shot at the WBC belt.

Thus the fight vs. Vitali was *NOT* under the options contract Sanders had with Universum, but he was promoted by Lewis/Ogun for that fight. It was pure coincidence he fought Vitali who at that time I believe already left Universum and was already fighting for K2.

Universum went on to sue Sanders in German court which took about two years to settle. Sanders claimed his options contract with Universum was null and void and thus he was not obligated to fight for them (and honor rematches). Oh, Sanders lost in court but then he was long retired. I think he fought on one Universum card in Austria in 2006 or so but that was about it.

This is a money question: Universum would have paid him a pity of the purses using the options they had on him, under his own banner with Lewis/Ogun Sanders probably got close to the full purse. That was his motivation to defect from Universum.

Even if Wlad wanted to rematch Sanders, Sanders had zero interest in doing so (money-wise!!!) because of the legal dispute with Universum. I posted old court documents here times every time this stupid discussion has come up, I am surprised so few know the facts.

 

Pipe down NoBall.

This statement from Wlads management over turns your opinion on matters.

Its over. Quit trying.

 

If he didn't want to honour his options why was Universum promoting the proposed mandatory defence against Brewster?

http://www.secondsout.com/world-boxing-news/world-boxing-news/sanders-vs-brewster-is-officially-postponed

While Sanders was with Ogun under Lion promotions it doesn't mean he wasn't meeting the obligation of the options Universum had on him. Boxers can fight under options while having signed with other promoters as long as the options are upheld.

If Sanders signed expecting a guaranteed shot at the WBC champion Lewis he was an idiot. Lewis was set to fight Johnson then and had agreed to fight Vitali in the autumn of 2003 so any shot for Sanders would not have been for at least a year. Also Ogun made a statement saying they were looking to match Sanders with either Holyfield, Jones Jr, Byrd or Wlad.

http://www.secondsout.com/uk-boxing-news/uk-boxing-news/british-buzz-sanders-lands-in-london

The fight with Vitali was while Vitali was with Universum, just watch the fight, Universum plastered everywhere and it's even on Universum's youtube channel.

If Sanders was not meeting his options why was Universum involved in the proposed Brewster fight and then the Vitali fight and why was Sanders fighting Varakin on another Universum card after Vitali?

I'm not aware of any suit from Universum against Sanders, what were the grounds and links to articles please? Because it's clear Sanders was meeting his obligations in regards to the Brewster fight being promoted by universum, the Vitali fight being promoted by Universum and the Varakin fight being promoted by Universum in 2004 not 2006 as you said. Also if Sanders was avoiding his obligations why did they not enforce a court injunction to prevent Sanders fighting. Of course that would of not made any difference because he was fighting on Universum cards anyway.

 

hardly a classic, just a weak titlist capitualising to someone he shouldn't have been fighting.

 

Sanders never fought Brewster. Universum wanted the fight, Sanders didn't because he didn't want to honor the options where he was paid **** money. I completely understand Sanders but a contract is a contract.

That's why Universum sued him.

Search the archives on the forum on the old Sanders threads (the 200+ post ones), I posted the lawsuit links there at least twice w/ Google translator.

 

Its not about Sanders not not wanting t fight Brewster , its about Wlad ducking the rematch.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/06...hy-wladimir-klitschko-never-sought-a-rematch/

Sanders was looking for the big retirement payday. Not fighting the then unknown Brewster for no money.

 

This was a young and inexperienced Wlad. He didn't master very well the 'lost' arts of clinching, hugging and holding. :yep

 

Can't really be bothered to search for an article but I take you for your word and trust what you are saying is correct.

But what are you saying has nothing to do with a Wlad rematch. Universum seems to have successfully sued Sanders for not fighting Brewster rather than not meeting his options because he did fight 2 fights for Universum after the Wlad win.

If they had sued him for not fighting Wlad and won then yes it would seem Sanders was the one trying to avoid fighting Wlad but that is not the case. Universum didn't seem to once try and make a Wlad rematch happen. They were too busy trying to make Sanders fight Brewster who wasn't even the WBO's number 1 ranked fighter, that was Tua. And then they seem to send Sanders in the direction of Vitali not Wlad.

Where in all this is the effort from Universum to make a Wlad fight? Why make Sanders fight Brewster or an easier opponent to ensure he would remain undefeated so he could rematch Wlad. Why then have Wlad fight Brewster instead of Sanders and Sanders fight Vitali? All the law suit proves is Sanders ducked Brewster not Wlad and the reason why Sanders didn't want Brewster probably had something to do with him being paid less the normally mandated 75% as the champion in a mandatory defence that went to purse bids.

 

Whatever, keep your heads in the sands.....why let facts get in the way of Brittard logic...

 

Exactly the lawsuit was related to the Brewster fight specifically not the options as a whole or a rematch with Wlad. Now if Sanders had dropped out of the Brewster fight then not fought any of his options then you could say for sure that he ducked Wlad but that's not what happend.

Sanders fought twice more for Universum and they didn't try and make a Wlad fight on either occasion. When were Universum trying to make a rematch, when they were arranging Brewster a shot at Sanders ahead of Tua, or when they were arranging Sanders a fight with Vitali or when Sanders fought Varakin? I just don't see it.

 

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