Modern Day Super-Heavys that defeat Holmes of 1978 ?

That really was a bad knockdown. Not many fighters could have produced such a blow after losing so many rounds. shavers certainly never produced another in that fight. Seems like it was the acorns last desperation punch that decked Larry because Ernie could not even muster a worthwhile blow after Larry got up. Shavers was already that spent.

You could almost say the fight was over once Larry got up.

 

That is a decent post. Earnie had nothing left to finish him off with, or certainly didn't after missing a couple of blows. A couple of ridiculously wild haymakers possibly had the power but they wouldn't have hit the side of a barn door.

Which brings me to the point - Earnie wasn't exactly known for his stamina and was a somewhat limited operator. It would be a lot harder to survive if hurt against the likes of a couple of super heavies, or a Tyson for that matter.

Holmes heart and determination were as integral to him as his sterling left jab. 10-10 assets.

 

Holmes PROVED his toughness in many bouts. It's unquestionable. Shavers, Norton, Snipes, Weaver.

The super heavyweights and Tyson never proved themselves as such.

 

Most every view in here is unbased. These guys are never going to fight so no matter how much wind anyone blows it's all speculation.

P.S. Sorry for ruining your day mentioning Larry wouldn't waltz past the two Klits. I didn't mean to cut into the edge of your obsession

 

Certainly until he gases a bit that's for sure. Monster hitter and doesn't hold back much.

You are correct on the second KD.

 

you are free to express your opinion, it is no matter to me, I just like to hear them backed up. In fact I raised the issue of shavers-holmes, not klitschko, so you appear to be entirely misguided. Good luck in making further mistakes.

 

Holmes toughness is unquestioned but you need to get over your closed mindedness on the subject as others have hinted. Peak Tyson for instance would have gotten past that lot with a lot less drama than Larry. Does this mean he automatically beats Holmes? No. Does Larry struggling with this lot give him a free pass over Tyson? No.

History is littered with tougher more proven fighters being on the poorer end of things. So much more has to be factored in - era and quality of challengers, stylistic intangibles etc etc etc. A guy like Lewis has beaten higher quality opponents than the likes of Holmes, Marciano and Louis to name a few.

 

We both know what gained your festered interest, as usual

 

Never stated Holmes beats Tyson. Certainly Holmes is proven in terms of will to win and heart...Tyson is not. His lack of will to win is THE reason he is not rated higher all time.

 

you clearly and blatantly still dont, despite me writing the clue "shavers-holmes". not the quickest in thought here, r u?

if u object to me having kltischko win some lose some in fantasy fights, thats your issue. everybody wins some loses some. but it seems its forbidden for kliturds to allow it to pass.

 

Have you patented some sort of Ret@rded Post Generator?

 

Seamust with his complete gibberish again.

 

Aplogies, i actually found an old post where you picked Tyson. Of course either pick can be solidly debated, it's an open book.

Anyway my overall point still stands. You can find various fights where Tyson showed loads of heart, he just didn't come back to win them. Most were against damn good fighters and some were post prime etc. He had the will to win but had no plan B and had to be moving forward.

 

And THAT is my point. Once fighting a live opponent who stood up to him Tyson became much less a fighter...tentative...worried... not knowing what to do. All of which impinges upon attributes necessary for all time greatness such as will to win. Watch Frazier in Manila take it round after round and come back to nearly stop Ali (round 11) then get beaten all over the ring in rounds 13 and 14 to a point where he can no longer see YET he is begging his corner not to stop the fight! FRAZIER CANT SEE YET HE WANTS TO CONTINUE FIGHTING! Can you imagine Tyson performing at that level? You are lying if you say yes as he never showed that level of intestinal fortitude. AND that is why Tyson is not rated higher than he is all time. He had all the physical elements but lacked the mentality.