Modern Day Super-Heavys that defeat Holmes of 1978 ?

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  1. JohnThomas1

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    There may have been a reason for that ;)
     
  2. JohnThomas1

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    Tyson wouldn't get in that same scenario with Weaver.
     
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  3. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    Who?
     
  4. Seamus

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    Scott Frank, Lucien Rodriguez, Randall Cobb ( not even the most famous Randall Cobb), Lorenzo Zanon, Leroy Jones, Gerri Cooney...

    Who?
     
  5. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    Fighters who actually know how to half way move. I knew you could name them.

     
  6. Seamus

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    Ibrag n Povetkin each had twice the science of any of those I mentioned. Christ almighty this forum is becoming a bright light to the wilfully ignorant.
     
  7. Reason123

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    Only in your eyes Fletch only in your eyes. For the love of science fiction is the only way anyone sees any science from those men.
     
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  9. JohnThomas1

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    Vitali and Holmes would be a gruelling fight that's for sure. I don't think Vitali would have the single shot power or ability to put enough together to stop Holmes and i don't think Larry is stopping Vitali. On the surface i'd favor Larry via decision but it would be damn hard going for both.
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    And yet he was KO'd by a man who'd been stopped by David Bey, Mike White and Tony Tucker.
     
  11. dinovelvet

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    I don't see how.

    Vitali was a HW Valueslav Shenshecko. Watch how hard it was for him t box Paulie Malinagey with his upright straight punching EE style.

    Vitali would face the same problems and would get stopped on facial damage in a one sided fight like VS was against Magic Man.
     
  12. dinovelvet

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    Wlad was terrified to engage small flat footed Ibragimov and he was exposed in victory against Povetkin.
     
  13. Perry

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    Wlad feasted on European hwts that could not fight. Still he was frightened to engage. Every punch tentative. Holmes would dominate with his superior jab, at angles, which opens up his right hand. TKO win for Holmes.
     
  14. choklab

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    I don't think any SHW is going to outbox Larry Holmes.

    Think of all the challengers who bothered Larry, they were all younger, better technicians and faster than many of the SHW challengers contesting for titles over the last ten years or so. Manuel Charr, Chris Arreola, Pulev, Francisco Pienetta, Mariusz Wach..

    It was never sheer size that bothered Larry.

    It's fine to say the Klitschko boys were so dominant outboxing and leaning on those kinds of guys who were for the most part older, slower and technically inferior than the majority of 1980s HW challengers.

    I believe the Klitschko brothers would have needed to be better boxers than they were -and a much faster tempo than they had to stay on top in the 1980s.

    By comparison Larry (just as he was) would have had an absolute picnic in the Klitschko era.
     
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  15. Unforgiven

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    Holmes was very dominant in his own era really. Up until 1985 anyway. Witherspoon deserved a rematch. From 1978-1983 he was a clear winner against all challengers. Prior to winning the title he absolutely schooled Shavers. Berbick and Cobb were outclassed, Cooney too. Leroy Jones. Even near the end he gave Bey a severe beatdown. Maybe 3 or 4 guys out of 20 he had any notable trouble with.