Modern Fighters who do BETTER against Old School Fighters than their own era's?

Those aren't skills. There attributes, Wilder's skills consist of a straight right and steady jab.

Seamus, you know as well as I do that mentioning the Colour Line is gonna turn the thread ugly, and a good thread at that. So how about we leave that out?

 

Except that style works when you have a preponderance of athletic talent. When you are a slowtwitch punching bag who outsizes his competition and (smartly) uses that advantage for victory, that is another fistic equation. Styles should exploit athletic advantages. Willard's was size and strength. Deontay's is speed, power and athleticism.

Sure, let's just sweep that under the rug.

 

I'm not saying his style doesn't work. I pick him to win tonight. I'm saying his windmilling, lack of defence and gangly footwork wouldn't look out of place next to the Ol' Cowboy.

You're sounding like we should degenerate fighters who drew the colour line like it wasn't the norm then. They're scum by modern standards but they weren't even looked down on then for it. Treating them under a modern microscope is narrow minded when you consider that they weren't even doing anything 'wrong' at the time, I'd take a grain of salt on subjects like this.

Oh and it's not sweeping it under the rug, it's not bringing it up at every momentum that era is mentioned.

Anyway, I've had enough of racial debates on here today, can't say it's been a pleasure.

 

Deontay closes the distance incredibly quickly and projects his devastating power with speed to the last second. He is not a well rounded fighter by any stretch but he is an excellent fighter. His KO record is not an accident, is not contrived. Combined with his freakish athleticism, fighting athleticism, his style is massively effective. However, if you take out those physical assets, that style becomes a huge liability, at least in modern times where a super heavy no longer has the advantage of size to fall back on. Thus, we have Jess WIllard.

 

Derevyanchenko has a tank, he'd do well in longer bouts imo

 

I am not obsessed with the Color Line but neither am I constantly guarding the plate against its influence in shaping the entire sport on an uneven keel during the first decades of the 20th c. I do look at heavyweight champs at an athletic achievement deficit when they summarily bar from competition a population that would go on to dominate the division. However, I do NOT see this as an ethical or moral failure. These guys were largely products of their times. Dempsey, for instance, seems to have been a very decent man despite his rough beginning.

 

How come Morlocks got banned but you guys are protected and allowed to talk about race. That's not fair. Morlocks always had a lot of good first hand knowledge. This forum was a far better place with guys like him. You guys just have your little clique like in high school.

 

Since when is discussing race not allowed? The subject of race has an enormous influence on the history of the sport.

Perhaps it was his assaultive, combative and boorish manner that got him banned.

And for transparency, I, too, have gotten my time outs.

 

Watch how many jabs he lands tonight.

 

Keep reading Mark. Keep reading.

I literally mentioned his jab 2/3 minutes later.

 

I happen to think that when he was Pretty Boy Floyd, up to and including the Gatti fight, Floyd could be explosive enough to make good fights if in the Williams era.

At 130 lbs, he was explosive and showed decent offensive output. Above that, the Floyd that beat Chico could make a competitive fight with most fighters of the same weight in history. His hands and shoulder would be my concern regarding his career longevity if in the Williams era. He could even fight his way into early retirement due to chronic injury concerns, rougher fighters and lenient refereeing.

By nature of the era, I'm not sure that he is a boring, safety first fighter. A bit of it, yes, but he would be forced to carry the fight to get his title shot and if there's one thing that I see in Floyd, his ego wouldn't allow him to settle for just another contender status.