Modern Greats who were poorly managed/fed to the lions early on?

Rafael Marquez

 

Oscar de la Hoya.

Sorry didn't notice the poorly managed part of the thread.

 

That should flat-out be wiped from his record, the way I understand what happened. IF it's the way I read it anyway.

 

Not great but Margarito.

His record after his first 12.

9(5) 3

 

Is this going to turn into 'modern greats who didn't have a completely padded record' thread?

 

So guys who weren't terribly protected, to be fair most are way overprotected these days and its not a good thing for the sport

 

which is why Berto lost last night and won me 500 DOLLARS OF CASH MONEY BABY

 

Early on is such a subjective term.

Although say de la Hoya was fighting and beating John John Molina after 16 fights, it was 2 and a half years removed from his Olympic triumph.

For a man who some thought was going to fight Genaro Hernandez pretty soon after his debut, it was relatively slow progress by de la Hoya IMO.

What really bugs now a days, is not necessarily the poor opposition, but the fact fighters even on the way up, fight no more than half a dozen times a year.

If you are fighting 4/6/8 rounders, you can fight at least once a month.

And if you are 24-0, you must be prepared to fight world class opposition, so this can be achieved within two years of turning pro (baring injury) for most good prospects.

For all his future demons, Tyson was brilliantly managed early on by Jacobs and Cayton. Within, what 20 months? He was 27-0, after beating a number of contenders and was fighting Berbick for his first piece of alphabet nonsense

 

Philla put 700 dollars on Berto. :rofl

That said, I thought Berto would have pulled it off.

 

Not really, he lost because he doesn't have short punches, the defense or the stamina for that kind of fight

 

Nah, I figured that Ortiz would be able to sharpshoot through the swiss cheese holes in Berto's defense. I questioned his heart, just like everyone else did, but I think I believed in his ability to grow and come back from adversity. My uncle was a kickboxer and competed for the US in France and he tells me a lot that "you're not a really good fighter until you've lost three or four times".