Modern Heavyweight Who Could Be Contenders In The 1930s

Amazing. The 30's had an inconsistent Schemling, a crudely skilled Baer, a chinny Carnera, a journeyman in Braddock, and lacked depth in general.

And I could say Louis never faced anyone like Vitlai. Injures define Vitlai's defeat in fights he was winning, not ability or lack of ability. I would easily pick Vitlai over Schemling, Baer, Carnera or Sharkey, and in case you are wondering, Carnera and Shakrey were washed up when Louis beat them. In fact, Schemling was thought to be past his best as well, yet he scored an upset KO.

Since none of the 30's are power punching pressure fighters, Wlad would do well. Wlad destorys smaller fighters who can't punch, or slow big fighters.

If Baer, Carnera and Shakrey were that good, please explain to me why they lost so much to lesser talents. I'm all ears. Chagaev still has a lot left in him. I want to see more, but based on what I've seen he'd do find vs the above guys, and would easily defeat Braddock.

And Valuev takes a MUCH better punch, which is more important. Yes, Valuev is comparable to Carnera.

We will see.

In a land of small fighters who often had poor defense, Peter would have an easier time landing his bomb. Peter would not do well vs any of the top 10 you say?

Again, Alphabet Poltics might make Louis the WBO champ. You can not say he'd unify. THe other champs might opt not to fight him.

I could agree with this.

Now for a quick flash of the talent level when Louis became king. Look at the Ring Magazine annual ratings.

1937:

[url]Joe Louis[/url], Champion

1. [url]Max Schmeling[/url]
2. [url]Tommy Farr[/url]
3. [url]Nathan Mann[/url]
4. [url]Alberto Santiago Lovell[/url]
5. [url]Tony Galento[/url]
6. [url]Jimmy Adamick[/url]
7. [url]Lou Nova[/url]
8. [url]Bob Pastor[/url]
9. [url]Roscoe Toles[/url]
10. [url]Andre Lenglet[/url]

>>>>Very weak.

1938
[url]Joe Louis[/url], Champion

1. [url]Lou Nova[/url]
2. [url]Max Baer[/url]
3. [url]Bob Pastor[/url]
4. [url]Tony Galento[/url]
5. [url]Maxie Rosenbloom[/url]
6. [url]Len Harvey[/url]
7. [url]Clarence (Red) Burman[/url]
8. [url]Roscoe Toles[/url]
9. [url]Gus Dorazio[/url]
10. [url]Tommy Farr[/url]

>>>Even weaker since Schemling has faded.


1939

[url]Joe Louis[/url], Champion

1. [url]Tony Galento[/url]
2. [url]Bob Pastor[/url]
3. [url]Lou Nova[/url]
4. [url]Tommy Farr[/url]
5. [url]Max Schmeling[/url]
6. [url]Johnny Paychek[/url]
7. [url]Red Burman[/url]
8. [url]Gunnar Barlund[/url]
9. [url]Roscoe Toles[/url]
10. [url]Lee Savold[/url]

>>>Horrible. Galento the #1 contender? Pastor the #2 contender?

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The Kurgan, i don't think it's him sitting down on his punches. Again, watching a mere minute of Wlad-Brewster I is enough to see him sit down with full power on his punches yet still see a tremendous amount of speed.


Loewe, you say Peter would be borderline top10 at best because he's too crude. Have you ever seen Max Baer box?

 

How would they fare without the steroids, supplements, weights, nutrionists, being starved instead of 5 daily meals? How would they do holding a full time job while boxing? How would they do fighting week on week on the way up? How would they do not hand picking their opposition?

In a time machine head for head I think plenty would do quite well, but they have it allot easier these days, far more advantages.

 

None of the guys would make it in the 30's. Maybe Toney because of his skills.

 

Perhaps Peter could have the same problems as Baer.

There were a lot of non fat James Toneys back then waiting to ambush the poor slugger.

 

Well, I suppose Wlad's chin would not be as much of an issue in the 1930's then. After all, if you think this era is juiced, then they certainly hit harder toady, right?

As far as skills go, the heavies today in general have a bit more and that has nothing to do with supplements.

Also, the money today is insane. It was easier to stay hungrier in the 1930's. Wlad made 13 million or so vs Tony Thompson! Unreal, but no 1930's fighter saw this type of money, even if you factor in inflation, so perhaps the if the 1930’s fighters made that type of money, they would not fight as often.

You see, there is a lot to consider here.

 

true but his handspeed and southpaw style gives him the edge over guy who wernt used to lefties....it wasnt that long ago that there was no real plan to win against a southpaw. throwing right hands isnt a gameplan thats a work ethic hoping that you'll catch him enough times.

also a novalty southpaw heavy would be a good little investment.



ever heard of chuck davey. a cutie southpaw who was impossible hit clean or pressure....came across a guy called gavilan somthign and got taken apart, due to kids fast hands and awkward punches.

byrd i think will rise to the top then get stopped by louis early.

 

I'm not sure the 30's aside from a select few were chock-full of talent.

 

very good points.
i know it's a really bait answer but braddocks belif that he could of performed better a better diet.


also becuase there are more SUPER fights fighters can hold people to ransom to get the most figures and sales.

james toney made peanuts fighting non title fights while champion and in a sense lost some of his marketability becuase of it....a reason why he got pretty bum deals when it came to fighting the big fights.
becuase theres more money in single fights more guys dont have/want to fight 3 times a month.

 

Any mediocre modern HW would obliterate those old timey guys.

 

Tyson i believe was the last HW great fighting at least once a month in the 80s on his way up the ranks.

 

Well, Braddock did embarrass Baer and no matter what all Baer fans try to tell you, clowning had nothing to do with it. Perhaps the same could happen to Peter. Toney nearly did it on his first attempt, but had to pay for it by taking a career ruining beating in the process.

 

1. The muscles supporting the chin (neck/back/legs/jaw) get better with steroids/supplements, contary to popular belief you can put muscle on a chin. So if Wlad is juicing, his chin would be worse without steroids. It would be worse without the supplements he takes. Strength and power alone doesnt make a puncher, Louis hits harder and more precisely than anyone today

2. Please tell me who in today's HW division displays better skills than Louis? Schmelling? Sharkey? Braddock?