molina is #1 at 154

Who knows, thats my point. So the very fact that we say, who knows, means its ******ed to then say 'The ref robbed Molina of a win against Kirkland' Because its just as plausable to say, based on the way the fight had turned, that he robbed Kirkland of a win.

First off, that stupid ass ref (which I agree with you he was, I think that was a bull**** DQ, but he was ****ing up all. night. long.) but that stupid ass ref is one of the reasons that Molina was able to have the success he did have in the first 8 rounds.

If people dont think that being able to push Kirkland to the ropes constantly and then hug him for dear life contributed to Molinas success, they arent grasping the fact that Molina was able to catch his breaks in those spots, and was able to keep Kirkland from doing anything in those spots as well.

It worked, good for him. But my point? My point is majority of clean refs would not have allowed that kind of bull**** from Molina.... which would have led to a lot more punches coming from Kirkland over the course of the fight.

So that bull**** ass ref that you say ****ed it all up, is to me one of the contributing factors that allowed Molina to get to that point in the fight in the first place.


as for Molina dominating Kirkland up until the knockdown, no.... the knockdown came at the very end of round 10, kirkland won that round before the KD clearly, and round 9 could be argued for a Kirkland round as well, or if you did score it for Molina, it was hardly dominating and there were signs even in that round of what was to come in the 10th.

So, did Molina win the majority of the rounds up till that point? Yes he did, but it was evident as round 9 that Kirkland was taking control, which he did in the 10th, and then put Molina down at the end of the round. That wasnt a round Kirkland was getting dominated in, then scored a flash knockdown. People need to go rewatch round 10 again. That was not a flash knockdown and Molina was in serious trouble. Huge difference.


Many things could have happend at such a pivotal moment in the fight, which is why nobody should agree to the point of the ref robbing Molina of anything.

It was a horrible fight with a horrible ref and a fighter fighting one of the dirtiest fights ive seen in recent fights ending prematurely with both fighters victories hanging in the balance. Thats what it was.

 

Really? Rodriguez over Kirkland?

Kirkland has beaten Julio, Angulo, and Molina..... and Rod ranks over him?

:huh

And Molina, a guy who fought about as dirty a fight as seen in awhile, and proceeded to get broken down and was on his way to possibly getting stopped within the next two rounds by Kirkland even after his dirty tactics and spoiling trash, is number 4 with james not even making top 10?

I know making a list isnt easy but that just makes little sense to me.

 

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I think that because thats what I saw, just seeing his legs unstable and him fatiguing badly, combined with the fact that he was in bad shape well before the knockdown. He was on shaky legs for half the round, Steward even makes it a point to state how bad molinas legs are in round 10 I believe.

and it only got worse with the knockdown, his stamina was fading fast, he was getting tagged, and was getting hurt with shaky legs. With the condition he was in, with Kirkland starting to find his target, thats why I think he was in serious trouble, imo.

Thats possible, but highly unprobable imo. Yes, anything can happen. Molina could wind up knocking Kirkland out with the first punch of round 11. Probable? Not likely.

Molina on unsteady legs as Kirkland is taking control of the fight and starting to find a home for his power shots in the previous 2 rounds continuing as Molinas stamina continues to fade with the momentum shift that was occuring, I find much more probable.

Imo

Good points, but I am not saying that that couldnt have happened, I could def see Molina hugging Kirkland non stop and doing whatever he could to not get knocked out, and maybe would have lasted the distance.

The point that is being missed seems to be that Im saying that, the initial statement of 'The ref robbed Molina of a win against Kirkland' is simply false, because anything (within reason or probable, ala Kirkland KO late or Molina hanging on to win a decision) could have happened after that point.

I am not arguing that Kirkland was for sure going to stop Molina, what I am making an argument for is its just as easy to say the ref robbed Kirkland of a win then Molina, given the context of the fight when it was stopped. Imo.

Fair enough, but I think they were fairly well gone, which I think played a huge part in why he went down in the first place (I think him going down was as much legs/fatigue as it was a good punch)

Kirkland was applying more pressure in the 9th and 10th then he had throughout, and I think that pressure would have only made things worse for Molina. Again, not saying he couldnt have survived, but then we get into many variables that could play out differently 10 times out of 10.

My point is, that the ref robbed both of them... not just Molina. To say he robbed Molina of a win over Kirkland, as if to dismiss the fact that he robbed Kirkland of a real win over Molina within the next two rounds imo is just being bias in favor of Molina.

Just imo though.