Monte Cox: Top 50

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Addie, Dec 29, 2009.


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  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Muhammad Al
    Harry Greb
    Henry Armstrong
    Joe Louis
    Willie Pep
    Roberto Duran
    Benny Leonard
    Sam Langford
    Jack Johnson
    Jack Dempsey
    Joe Gans
    Sugar Ray Leonard
    Gene Tunney
    Bob Fitzsimmons
    Jimmy Wilde
    Ezzard Charles
    Mickey Walker
    Archie Moore
    Stanley Ketchel
    George Foreman
    Tony Canzoneri
    Barney Ross
    Jimmy McLarnin
    Julio Cesar Chavez
    Marcel Cerdan
    Rocky Marciano
    Joe Frazier
    Sandy Saddler
    Terry McGovern
    Billy Conn
    Carlos Monzon
    Jose Napoles
    Emile Griffith
    Marvin Hagler
    Eder Jofre
    Thomas Hearns
    Larry Holmes
    Ruben Olivares
    Evander Holyfield
    Ted "Kid" Lewis
    Alexis Arguello
    Pernell Whitaker
    Roy Jones Jr.
    Bernard Hopkins
    Mike Tyson
    Barbados Joe Walcott
    George Dixon
    Mike Spinks
    Salvador Sanchez

    That list is in order and the main topic of discussion I want to bring up is why is there such a devide in a opinion regarding Pernell Whitaker? He's a superstar on the Classic Forum, and most people draw the line at him being one place below the great Sugar Ray Leonard, whereas guys like Monte Cox and Teddy Atlas have him down in the lower 40's. Is it simply because we tend to overrate fighters of our own era? Discuss the greatness of Pernell.

    My thoughts on the list are as follows.

    Too low - Michael Spinks, Joe Walcott, Pernell Whitaker, Alexis Arguello
    Too High - Julio Cesar Chavez, George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Larry Holmes
    Shouldn't be on the list - Mike Tyson
     
    Addie, Dec 29, 2009
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  2. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    jofre is in the rightful spot

    monzon, sweet pea, hagler, charles and moore too low..

    frazier,wilde, dixon, dempsey and cerdan too high
     
    asero, Dec 29, 2009
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  3. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just glancing at the list for about a minute, the first ones to be out of place were

    Too Low
    Chavez
    Charles
    Spinks
    Hagler



    Too High
    Ketchel
    Cerdan
    Fraizer

    Also where the Hell is Ricardo Lopez!!
     
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  4. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Okay some more
    Way too high
    Dempsey

    High
    Canzoneri
    Tunney Atg but a little high

    Way too low
    Pernell Whittaker

    Low
    Barbadoes joe walcott





    And Oscar Delahoya should definitly be on this list.
     
    anarci, Dec 29, 2009
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  5. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    He wouldn't make Monte's top 150...

    Let this Lopez thing go matey, you overrate him to the same extent Rooster overrates Norris.

    Only just noticed Dempsey. He's way to high, indeed.
     
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  6. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Barreras my boy too,but hey i got Lopez over him Lopez should be between 25-35. Even a great boxing publication like Sports illustrated put him 10:lol: Serious though they did.
     
    anarci, Dec 29, 2009
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  7. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Barrera taps Lopez's ass ****** style. :lol:

    Seriously though, back to the list, I'm scratching my head at having Mike Tyson on the list. Did he ever beat a great prime fighter? He had 5 years of domination and could never rekindle the same form after the initial loss. ...Mike would be at a lower end of a top 100 for me.
     
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  8. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Addie, there is clearly a nostalgic emphasis on heavyweights, which probably explains your question about Pernell Whitaker's position to some to degree. JCC's positioning well above Whitaker says a lot about the credibility of Pernell's placement as well. Having someone like Bernard right next to Whitaker raises a lot of questions, beating lesser opposition, many of which naturally smaller, and ending up 2 spots below Pernell.
     
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  9. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Mikes place is about right. I see your point of view also, but Mike was an unstoppable force when he was in his prime,and I dont think you can honestly count on one hand a fighther with a combination of SPeed,Power,and Ferociousness,in any weight class not just heavyweight.
     
    anarci, Dec 29, 2009
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  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    A fighter who didn't have the capacity to overcome adversity despite being faced with it plenty of times...cannot be among the top 50 for me. His resume and longevity doesn't even give him a fighting chance here, the two best fighters he ever fought beat him, and the HW scene was ghastly during his domination. Later on Lewis, Bowe, and Holyfield would emerge...and Tyson was nowhere to be seen.
     
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  11. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good point on Tyson but im sticking with Him as a 45to 50 Atg.

    Back to the rankings
    Johnson a little high
    Foreman way high
     
    anarci, Dec 29, 2009
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  12. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He should of squeezed Kid Gavilan in there
     
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  13. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    You see enough of these lists, you get to realize just how subjective they are.
     
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  14. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd want to see his criteria before criticizing his list, but according to my own criteria, it's a pretty unjustifiable effort.
     
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  15. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    It's a pretty good list. Where's Teddy Atlas' list?
     
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