montell griffin-roy jones...

Up until that fateful round, only Griffin landed punches of any signifigance. Montells shoulder/right cross (miss) left cross (connect) coming out of a semi clinch was beautiful. As was big left hook counter to a pitty pat RJ flurry. Had him stunned, swollen, and befuddled. It would have been very interesting to see the cards had it gone 12. My gut tells me that Montelll wouldn't have got the decision unless he were to sweep the next 3 rounds, which is a shame.

 

Jones Jr vs Griffin

First round Jones doesn't do anything of note really. Griffin pressures well behind the jab and works Jones up against the ropes. 1-0 Griffin

Round 2 is another good round for Griffin. Hes making Jones miss, backing him up and lands some tasty left hooks as well. 2-0 Griffin

Griffin has started this fight very Archie Moore esque. He's been slowly pressing him, trying to look for counter opportunities. A good blend of timing and pressure boxing.

Round 3, somehow Griffin is winning the jabbing exchanges despite being much shorter with a much shorter reach. Griffin again gets through with the left hook and again is able to drive him back to the ropes. 3-0 Griffin.

Round 4 starts a bit more cautiously, but Griffin is proving here that timing kills speed. Jones is just missing from range whilst Griffin is backing Jones up and scoring up close. Griffin really is fighting a perfect fight here. 4-0 Griffin.

Round 5 sees Jones start to get off a bit more now. Griffin seems to have slowed just a tad and Jones lands the cleaner work. 4-1 Griffin.

Round 6 the pace has dramatically increased here. Jones senses he needs to be doing something big so starts forcing the action. Griffin tries to meet fire with fire to slow Jones down again but Jone is definitely coming off the better o it if the exchanges now. 4-2 Griffin

Round 7 was a very close round, but Jones scores a dubious knockdown so it's actually an easy one to score. 4-3 Griffin.

Round 8 is a good round for Griffin who shows no ill effects from the dubious knockdown. Griffin can't seem to miss with the left hook. He's started to really mark Jones up now as well. Jones just doesn't seem to have enough room to stay away from Montell. 5-3 Griffin.

Round 9 Griffin is having more success but Jones lands a good left hook as Griffin comes inside to back him up, Griffin shakes it off and gets back to work. Griffin doesn't quite slip a right hand it rocks him to the core, Jones is chasing him around the ring, the round is coming to an end and Griffin takes a knee, as he's down Jones hits him, blatantly.

DQ to Griffin.

Jones looks very, very beatable on this fight. I think there's every chance Griffin sees out the ring and gets a points victory had Jones not hit him when down.

75-75 at the time of the DQ.

That's my thoughts watching it just now. Futch had a great plan to beat Jones and Griffin followed it to the letter.

Jones sounds very petulant in the interview after the fight saying its the refs job to stop him and he thought Griffin was just crouching down.

Why did Griffin get rid of Futch for the rematch?

 

pretty much how i remember too same as Luf's post. I have to rewatch it. And Jones totally deserved to be DQ'd. He gets annoying on tv how everytime there's a minor infraction he brings up how had it been him, the fighter would be Dq'd. Please. My man you were frustrated all night and took two blatant cheap shots.

 

He deserved the DQ.

I still scratch my head that Riddick Bowe in the same period dIdn’t get a DQ for doing the same thing vs Buster Mathis Jnr.

 

They bring that up this fight.

They said Bowes was the tail end of a combination and forgivable, Jones was a full combination after a pause.

 

I need to rewatch the fight. It’s been a long time. I recall it being similar to how luf described it. The main difference is that I thought it was inevitable that Jones was going to put him away soon enough if not for the foul. And even if Griffin somehow managed to survive the full 12, he wouldn’t have even had the lead after 9 due to the two knockdowns. So it’s not like he could’ve coasted to victory on some big early lead.

Still wanna rewatch it to study Griffin’s strategy with a fresh perspective, though. He definitely deserves major kudos.

 

In my opinion, Roy definitely deserved to be disqualified, 100%.

Griffin caused him a lot of problems.

I don’t agree with your opinion that Griffin could have rode out the rest of the fight on a points victory though. I think that would have been extremely unlikely.

Roy was up on 2 of the cards going into the 9th round. And if he hadn’t have hit him whilst he was down, that round would have been a 10-8 round to Roy. But of course, the 10-8 round would only have been given, IF Griffin had survived the rest of the round by not getting knocked down again or knocked out. At the time of the knockdown, there was about 40 seconds left. So Roy would have had around 30 seconds to have tried to closed the show. But if Griffin would have made it, Roy would have gone into the 10th, ahead on all 3 cards, and comfortably on 2 of them. At that point, I can’t envisage how Griffin could have won those final 3 rounds. And even if he had have done, it probably wouldn’t have been enough.

I think Roy was on the verge of knocking him out. And if he couldn’t have done it at the end of the 9th, I think he’d have really gone at him aggressively at the start of the 10th. Roy had definitely turned the fight around and held the upper hand at that stage.

Regarding Futch, they apparently had an issue regarding money. Those were the rumours at the time. Griffin says that he had issues with his management. He then retired from the sport, as he was 85/86 at the time.

 

I think if Griffin would have been able to successfully take a knee, he definitely sees out the round and has a minute to recover.

Regarding the final 3 rounds, maybe Jones would have taken over, or maybe Griffin would have begun landing the left hooks over and over again.

It was rather bizarre those early rounds seeing a much smaller and slower man out jabbing Jones from range and evading the punches coming at him. But the clincher was the success he had with the left hook. You're not supposed to be able to hook with a hooker but Griffin did it superbly.

The fight is a lot more competitive than I remembered, at the time I was under the impression Roy basically smoked him and went too far.

 

I can’t agree that he’d definitely have survived the round had he have taken a knee, as I’m certain that Roy would have jumped on him with just over 30 seconds left on the clock.

After the knockdown, I can’t see how the fight would have swung back in Griffin’s favour.

Again, it would have been highly unlikely that he’d have won the last 3 rounds, and it wouldn’t have given him a win regardless. Because he’d have been 3 points behind on 2 of the scorecards going into the 10th.

A better question for me, would be to ponder if Roy would have iced him in a round in the rematch, if Futch had still been there.

 

I just don't see see Roy ending the fight within 30 seconds at that point.

Griffin might not have gotten an official decision any more. But it would have been controversial and debatable just as much as the DQ itself has been.

In fact, if Griffin would have taken the full 5 minutes, Jones gets 2 points taken off and its all possible again.

So who knows.

I don't buy that Roy was in seek and destroy and Griffin would never have survived the rematch. Jones would obviously have been a favourite anyways, regardless of Futch. Griffin needs to fight a perfect fight, Jones doesn't.

 

I think that it’s very possible that Roy could have ended the fight with 30 plus seconds left.

Roy wouldn’t have had 2 points taken off.

We’re looking at if he hadn’t have hit him whilst he was down.

 

Who was the fighter?

 

Good post,this nails it down pretty much

 

I've already said, if he hasn't of hit him when he's down, I think Montell survives the round. The last 3 are hard to say what would happen, but I think it's likely leading to a controversial decision.

Had Jones been deducted, even more so.

 

It looked though as Jones was coming on in the fight and had Griffin figured out.