Montreal Duran vs PBF at Welter

Yeah all I'm saying is it's only natural that he looks good against opposition which has been strategically handpicked in order to make him look good. Thus, I don't share your enthusiasm for waxing lyrical at this point in time. Like both you and Flea, I think Floyd boxes the chops off Maravila Martinez and beats him handily on the cards. If Mayweather ever works up the courage to fight someone that size who seems to be still prime, I will shower him with adulation then, but for now I'm not motivated to do so.

 

Over floyd's last 3 fights he's beaten a marquez who pac is now fighting, a mosley everyone called for him to fight and an ortiz who was the best ww not named pac.

I'm happy to call him a class fighter.

The thing that annoys me is my assumption he won't fight pac and khan (his two best opponents at ww imo) beating then secures his ww legacy for me.

I wouldn't favour him over martinez though because I don't rate floyd that highly.

If he did beat martinez i'd be absolutely astounded.

In contrast I expect martinez to secure his own legacy of greatness over the next two years before retiring.

As for this fight, I think duran outpoints floyd close and controversial.

 

Martinez to secure a 'legacy of greatness'? I struggle to see how he'll brackets 50 greatest Middleweights myself.

 

Mayweather vs Marquez was a welterweight cheating a catchweight vs a lightweight, irrespective of who Marquez fought later. Everyone did indeed call for Floyd to fight Shane, but everyone calling out had no impact on the fact that Shane was 38, coming off a long lay-off, nowhere near the fighter he once was, and has looked terrible ever since. Everyone was calling for Floyd to fight him years earlier as well, and he didn't. And Victor Ortiz had one fight at ww before facing Floyd, against a rusty mediocrity in Andre Berto, so let's not pretend he was welterweight's "third force" after Pac and Floyd, because he hadn't proven to be that.

 

PS: Khan is nowhere near good enough to even be considered a legitimate test for either Mayweather or Pacquiao, and will take a horrendous, hellacious beating if he fights one of them.

PPS: Floyd UD's Martinez comfortably.

 

To be honest this doesn't really relate to what I said.

I never claimed floyd had a good victory over marquez, I stated the fact that pac is fighting him at present.

I never said the victory over mosley was great. I stated the fact it was the fight everyone was calling for.

Who did you think was the best ww not named pac then? Ortiz had just beaten berto and in a division as shallow as ww that's all it takes imo. I can think of noone else that fits the bill tbh.

My issue with floyd at ww is he has never beaten the best in his weight class. Between margo, cotto and now pac he's never cleared out his division nor secured a great victory at the class. This is why I struggle to pick him over the duran who beat a prime leonard.

I clearly don't rate floyd as high as you because i'd be amazed if he beat martinez.

Which ww is more deserving than khan? Arguably berto I suppose?

 

Baldomir was the Lineal Champion :yep :deal

 

Well his mw resume atm goes back to 09 with, imo, victories over williams x2, pavlik, dzindzuruk and barker. He's been the dominant force in the division for the last two years. By 2013 I think he'll still be the man and he'll have beaten something like macklin, sturm, chavez, lee and a top guy moving up (one of floyd, pac, cotto, canelo etc)

That gives him a reign of 4-5 years with him cleaning house and unifying some titles. Combine this with how good he looks on film atm and I think he'll go down as a divisional great certainly (infact for me he already has by virtue of being the best mw in the world today, that's my new definition of great :good)

 

Floyd would need 10 Joe Cortez's in the ring just to see the final bell alive.

I've just rewatched Floyd/Hatton & thats all yer need to see & know that Mayweather is a DEAD MAN once the 1st bell rings & the "High Priest of Violence" rips the **** limb from limb:vonnecunt

 

All these years and I never knew that!! I do know that Duran just overwhelmed Palomino in every way short of knocking him out. He had Carlos intimidated to death with those feints of his..I'll never forget that....but the autograph thing..man, talk about a creative way to get into your opponent's head.

 

Duran takes it to Floyd wins by TKO

 

Very good point.It's also worth noting that Duran would later acknowledge that he quit because he didn't want to risk getting hurt and possibly even knocked out later in the fight.Statements like that kind of destroys the snarling,animalistic image that Duran fans are so desperate to remind others of.

 

Source? ´Cause you know a guy who states that Joe Frazier was a faud has like no cedibility. :thumbsup

 

What I wrote was directly related to what you said. You clearly implied that Mayweather's recent opposition was not deserving of my criticism, so I explained that criticism more fully.

I'd expect Mayweather to comprehensively outbox Martinez simply because SM would not cope well with someone who is even faster than him, and Floyd's hands are clearly faster than SM's. Floyd's straight right would find a welcoming home in Martinez's wide-open style, he'd find it so much easier to score through Maravila's weak defence than Sergio would find it to connect cleanly with a very cautious, defensively-minded Floyd (as he would fear the power and be very wary of this). Floyd is a much better boxer, a much better technician, and since his return he looks more physically robust, I'd strongly back him to stand up to Martinez and beat him. Sergio is no middleweight IMO, he's a lightmiddle and Floyd is a welter, the size difference would not be insurmountable.

Amir Khan just has too many technical flaws to rank as a legitimate test for Mayweather or Pacquiao. In addition to the fact that he's never even fought at welterweight, I just don't see him coming close to the level of technical proficiency required to operate at that level. A guy who gets clipped flush by Maidana and starts running backwards with no guard to escape from him should be protected from fights with Floyd and Pac.