Monzon and Hagler stayed at 160, why can't GiGi?

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I think GGG is best suited for 160, and even though he doesn't seem to have any viable match-ups, the best bet for him is to stick around 160 and hope that something comes up eventually.

    Personally, I'd still love to see Ward-Golovkin, but that's a pipe dream on my part.

    The thing of it is, in this day and age, the almighty "zero" is held in high regard, and Golovkin's entire image has been built on this "good boy destroyer" angle. If he moves to 168 and consistently fights the best there, his chances of losing become considerable, whereas staying at 160 and playing it safe will do more for his career.
     
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  2. Nay_Sayer

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    I find it odd how Bumlovkin can get so much mileage out of his "0" all while Mayweather is ridiculed and derided for his.

    Why is that?
     
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  3. Cafe

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    They expect him to move up for DeGale of all people and then immediately move down for Canelo's fight, I mean what other boxers have this ridiculous expectations?
     
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  4. Pimp C

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    Hey ****boi my knowledge of the sweet science is light years beyond yours I will destroy in any boxing debate. Keep my name outta your mouth dummy.:hi:
     
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  5. drenlou

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    I agree. But what kind of impact will playing it safe have on his legacy? And I also feel the reason These so called GGG fans on this forum don't want him to reach for greatness like Pacquaio for example, by moving up in weight Is so they can hold on to this belief that GGG is so unbeatable and is so "Great" because he never lost at MW. I think it's absurd and mind boggling. Hopkins moved up, Jones moved up, Toney moved up.... I don't see what the big deal is Rum.:hat
     
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  6. drenlou

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    I thought we were on the same page pretty much?:huh I guess not.:roll:
     
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  7. Pimp C

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    PBF had far greater expectations than that. The guy went through 5 weights undefeated in 3 different decades and you still had people saying he hadn't proven anything. GGG's fans act as if he's the second coming but get mad when anyone mentions Ward's name. It would be one thing if GGG had faced an elite fighter but he hasn't in almost 35 fights. At some point this guy is going to have to prove himself to be as great as his fans think he is. Or he'll be another Zoo and his legacy will be questioned just like his is today, with a bunch of question marks.
     
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  8. drenlou

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    :deal
     
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  9. Rumsfeld

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    Because Mayweather was a huge star who drew far more attention than Golovkin (from a US perspective). With Mayweather, legions upon legions of casual fans were interested in seeing his fights, whether they were interested in seeing him winning or, more likely, interested in watching him lose.

    With Golovkin the discussion is basically limited to hard core fans, so the dynamics are completely different.

    So in a single word, the main difference as I see it is "popularity".

    :smoke
     
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  10. Nay_Sayer

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    My original question was posed within the context of the hardcore community...
     
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  11. Rumsfeld

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    I think it will have a positive impact, actually. Because I see Golovkin comfortably beating everyone at 160 where I view him as head and shoulders above the rest. At 168, he's likely to lose a few bouts, and while it would be a better way for him to genuinely challenge himself, I think losses at 168 do more damage to him than a long safe reign against overmatched foes at 160.
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

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    I think it's difficult to separate the 2 (casuals and hardcore) in Floyd's case. Floyd's image was built on his crossover appeal, and that undoubtedly impacted views held by the hard cores because he was that big. Golovkin is not.

    Put another way, I don't have too many friends interested in boxing beyond the capacity of a casual. Most of them have no idea who Golovkin is, and the ones that do know who he is don't know a whole lot about him.

    They've all known who Floyd is/was for years, however.
     
    Rumsfeld, Jan 22, 2016
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  13. drenlou

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    Maybe positive in the eyes of his fans and supporters, but the term "what if" will always be thrown around when discussing GGG IF he never took the chance to be Great. As it stands if he were to stay at MW and clean the division out, and only adds Canelo and maybe Jacobs to his resume, he will not be the ATG middleweight his fans are anointing him with right now, do you?
     
    drenlou, Jan 22, 2016
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  14. Cafe

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    No, it's the opposite. I think it's absolutely stupid. And why is he compared to Floyd now, I thought he's a bum basher nobody?
     
    Cafe, Jan 22, 2016
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  15. drenlou

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    Hmmmmmmmm. Hey when you claim somebody is an ATG without doing something, and yo bash a fighter like Floyd for not doing enough, then we have a problem.:bbb
     
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