Monzon = Genius. Discuss.

Let's talk about Carlos Monzon and get some video's going and analyse his strengths and weaknesses from a moderner perspective with years of boxing analysis handed down to us.

Personally, with the material I've been studying lately, I have been heavily impressed by Carlos Monzon and his unique subtle approach and solid skill in every area. How about that timing?:good

I have him as my #2 H2H MW behind Jones, I think he beats everybody but Jones and this includes Hagler and Hopkins, with an additional KO 1 in the first 20 seconds over Harry Greb.

Let's keep this thread Monzon related and get some good discussion going about him.:good

 

We could really go into detail about this, but I think Hagler would take him to a competitive battle that is really close, but also really clear that Monzon wins it, in a 15 round fight of course. Peak Hagler of course, not the mid-80's version that dropped rounds to Duran.:yep

Even in a 15 rounder, I truly think Monzon would really dominate Hopkins, especially after watching a lot of Hopkins' fights lately. Hopkins really does not like a consistent, good jabber. I re-watched Taylor-Hopkins 1 the other day and while this is not a prime Hopkins of course(better than NOW though), it was not far off from the Hopkins that beat Tito, Taylor just was able to use the long jab well and the workrate and Hopkins didn't want to get hit.

Now, let's take a prime Hopkins and a prime Monzon, you have a somewhat similiar situation with Monzon's tactical brilliance(I feel it's even better than Hopkins') and Monzon's textbook boxer-puncher style that worked behind his jab, you have the same situation with Taylor-Hopkins 1, Monzon and Hopkins being on a different level, but Hopkins being at that bad style disadvantage and Monzon just not allowing Hopkins to disrupt his gameplan.

The end difference is that even with Hopkins' defence, Monzon's going to jab the **** out of him and send plenty of right hands in to score and it won't be close like Taylor Hopkins 1, it'll be a domination.

Hopkins and textbook boxer-punchers who work behind a jab don't mix. Monzon is also very efficient at pressure on top of everything else, probably the most deceptively ELITE fighter I've seen on film.

Ordinary, but brilliant, just an amazing fighter and we have the film and the resume to back that up. Hopkins' resume does not compare. But Hagler's resume is a little better.

 

His chin seems cast-iron. Not Hagler god-like, but it's going to take something severe to KO him.

 

I agree, when mixing resume and H2H, I rate Monzon as the greatest MW of all time and Hagler second. Greb comes in lower because of how bad he is H2H in all reality, but Greb's unbelievable resume keeps him in the top 5 by default.

Jones is also top 5 at MW, on his elite H2H ability.

My top 5 goes along as:

1. Monzon
2. Hagler
3. Hopkins
4. Jones
5. Greb