Monzon v Golovkin?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Prime Carlos v the big banging GGG 15rds whom do you pick?
     
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    Monzon in a hard fought 15 round decision.
     
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    GGG simply hits harder and is more than willing to trade. Monzon isn't a speed demon or great on defense.

    Monzon's biggest name victories were mostly blown up lower weight fighters, some of which had seen better days.

    GGG is currently riding a 20+ KO streak, and in almost all cases stopped his man faster than the field did. He's also the same age Monzon was when Monzon retired. Armed with a shotgun like Jab, sledgehammer body shots, and a great hook to the head, Monzon's going to get hit often. This fight would prove how tough he is.

    GGG wins via UD with a knockdown, or via later round TKO.
     
  4. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    At the risk of losing my "older era's had better fighters in general"
    preferences, I pick GGG. Though he hasn't met MWs as good as in older era's THIS IS NOT HIS FAULT...What he shows me is he would more than hold his own with any middleweights of the past I have seen since the 1940s...This GGG is the real goods. He is not just a
    powerful puncher, but is a thinking fighter with a cutting powerful left jab. And not to be redundant in about 335 Amateur and pro fights
    Golovkin has never been floored...I love the "old timers" because they fought in the midst of deep pools of talent that to reach the top you had to be real good to conquer your top opponents. But in GGG he
    would be a hell of a tough nut to crack...
     
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    GGG has fundamentals that show he could be competitive with anybody. He doesn't just have one trait that makes him great. He has a jab, footwork, defense, and he's ring smart, not just talented. Power doesn't help as much against great fighters skills do.
     
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    Before you go for GGG, a fringe contender named Mehdi Boudhla employed pretty much the same strategy against him...namley jab him from the middle of the ring...that Monzon would have; and it worked pretty well.

    [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCMhotdvEfg[/url]
     
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    Monzon by wide decision
     
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  8. mcvey

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    Burt, I've been very impressed with GGG, not just his power but his footwork ,which allows him to glide into range so well.
    His excellent boxing ability is often overlooked too.
    I do believe he is the real deal but he needs better competition.
    Of course it isn't his fault none are eager to face him, but I'm keeping my powder dry until he faces some stiffer opposition.
    My two threads on him are just a bit of fun,and to make a change from the heavyweights .
     
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    And you pick here is?
     
  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I have seen nothing in Golovkin to suggest he would beat Monzon, yet.
     
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  11. salsanchezfan

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    I've bitten the bullet and watched a couple GGG efforts recently, and he's not bad. He might even be very good, but how would we know with the level of competition? I would agree it's not his fault there's no one around, but it's not a question of assigning blame. If the competition isn't there it must, by definition, cast the shadow of certain questions on a fighter's legacy or ranking or whatever glossy made-up thing you choose to call it. That shouldn't be confused with saying for sure the guy can't fight or couldn't hang with fighters of yesteryear. It just means there is more than a little reason to doubt. If you fight your grandmother 100 times, chances are you're gonna look pretty good on the won-loss ledger, and your left hook will never look as crisp and as damaging; people will swear up and down it would land with exactly the same regularity and concussive result had Ray Robinson been on the receiving end. Not sure how that can be assumed, but it so often is.

    But I digress about grandma. GGG shows patience, a good chin, good fundamentals, good power, and leaves one with every reason to believe that he could (with enough seasoning and experience) trouble the better middleweights in history. Until he does (and he may never), I can't see any intelligent argument for him beating someone like a Monzon. Stylistically if nothing else, this is just a bad matchup for so conventional and so methodical a fighter like Golovkin. He would allow too much distance and time for Monzon to create space. If Monzon is allowed to dictate the pace, forget it.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Yeah, I agree with Sal. Picking Golovkin to beat Monzon right now is a bit of a hail mary. He might be good enough but i've seen enough guys come through here picking "elite, modern fighters" - Donaire, Mijares, Haye - to beat proven ATGs before they reached their roofs to be extremely wary.

    So yeah, he could win. But I don't think he's proven he could beat someone like Monzon at this point.
     
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    A hail mary? Monzon fought no one on GGG's level, and in what fight did GGG not dictate the pace?

    Not seasoned enough? GGG's amatuer career shows he beat a who's who.

    Unfortunely for GGG, fighters don't want him at 160. They hide behind catch weights, and blown up lower weight fighters like Mayweather would not fight him for his record pay day.

    He's not as forutnate as Monzon, and I think would beat the same people Moznon fought is a quicker fashion for the most part.
     
  14. McGrain

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    If GGG had fought a similar career to the one he has and was about to fight Monzon in 1974 he would be an underdog.
     
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  15. Ted Spoon

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    I'm as high as most on Golovkin but to favour him over Monzon is not reasonable or justifiable - unless you believe he is part machine.

    Now a fight with Valdez would be a thriller and it says a lot that I would favour Golovkin, but that would tell us much about the greatness we get a whiff of every time he boxes.
     
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