Monzon V Hagler

For some reason I have always favored Monzon, even though I prefer Hagler as a boxer and enjoy watching him fight far more. I suppose I lean towards the fact Monzon was a bigger guy naturally, didn't seem to have the mental lapses Marvin had (for example vs Antuofermo I, Duran and Leonard) and fought fighters who combined a lot of the styles Marv brought to the table so I don't feel Marv would surprise him with anything. I will say that Hagler had underrated hand speed and this could be a factor and I don't think it is out of the question that his higher work rate could win a points decision. But over all I see Hagler getting into his head a bit and maybe blowing a lead as Carlos comes on strong in the last three.

It should be noted though that Monzon had two tough fights with Emile Griffiths who was a bit past his best and also receives criticism for not putting Napoles away quicker (In fairness I believe the second Griffith fight was after Carlos had been shot by his wife (??) and having watched the Napoles fight I don't really see the issue as Monzon spends a few rounds working him out and then chops him down without breaking a sweat) But he handled the super strong and hard punching Rodrigo Valdez, who while not as good a boxer was possibly more rugged than Marvin. I think Marvin didn't face anyone like Monzon while Monzon faced opponents with similarities to Hagler and that may make the difference. Having said that Marvin's probably had the stronger record, particularly pre championship with his tough learning fights against Philly's finest.

I feel there are others on here who have a greater technical knowledge than me and can make a good case for Hagler so look forward to seeing what they say!

 

Over and Over again just like The Dave Clark Five's big hit in 1965, this thread has also been done to death just like the Ali of 1967 vs Tyson 1988. Would like to see Monzon vs other opponents not named Hagler or Hearns. Would like to see Hagler vs other competition from the past not named Monzon. Not to be disrespectful to anyone, it would be refreshing to see better fantasy matches that were original.

 

Take a look at the Monzon vs Briscoe title bout from Nov 11 1972, it can be seen on You Tube. Hagler also fought Briscoe but in all fairness, Bennie was way past his peak.

 

I think Monzon would have broken Hagler down both physically and mentally. Monzon was unflappable and was always confident that he was going to win. His size, length, boxing, and setting his own pace would put Hagler behind and then his confidence/aura would have finished Hagler. IMO Monzon would have both a physical advantage and a mental toughness edge over Hagler.

 

Friendly advice if you want to catch up and get a full robust discussion of the topic. use google and type in monzon vs hagler and it will immediately show the boxingforum24 thread that you can bump and comment ... or use the search button in this forum .. just an option

 

In the OP’s defense, when I signed on here, looking back at old posts via Google search (the best way to get back to the beginning) could often be daunting. Because the archives go back a while and are very extensive.

 

My brain said Hagler but my fingers checked Monzon.

 

There's always new users who cares how many times it's been done. It's all fun.

 

Monzon is not mentally tougher than Marvin Hagler….no man would ever break Marvin Hagler down mentally…Monzon might win the fight ..he may be able to outbox Hagler …but cmon

 

How many southpaws did Carlos Monzon face ? …I’m asking because I don’t know

 

I think the second Valdez fight is after he’d been shot ( I could be wrong as well)

 

Impossible to argue with any real strength one way or another. I mildly favour Carlos personally. I think he's a better ring general under the pump. I wouldn't overly argue against an opposite pick tho. I'd worry about anyone picking a stoppage unless honing in on a cut but i think that's a long shot.

 

Two of my very favorite fighters but I have to go with King Carlos. He was uncannily strong, had incredible sense of range and timing, great punch selection. But most of all, he just didn't know how to lose, fought the whole spectrum of styles, and for 14 years found a way to come out on top.