Monzon vs Hagler, 1977 or 1978

Isn't there a "bootleg" copy of the Monzon-Bennie Briscoe I out there that was filmed by Argentine TV station?

 

I've never heard of it, but it may be out there somewhere.

 

In my opinion, both these guys sit in the Top 5 MWs of all time. Great fight, especially at the respective stage of their careers. Is Monzon still hungry enough? Does Hagler have enough world-class experience? Wouldn't be able to pick - I'd flip a coin.

For what it's worth, I think a prime Monzon beats a prime Hagler.. not that losing to Monzon is any disgrace obviously.

 

Monzon would have trouble here becuz of Hagler's extra greatness. not to mention the fact that the southpaw stance would totally throw him off

Hagler wins in a shocking upset!

 

Haven't read all the posts but, based on the time frame you mentioned, you've had an over the hill Monzon vs. a still maturing Marvin.
Just don't think this matchup, given your parameters, really would have meant that much.

 

There would be no chance in hell for Hagler beating Monzon at his best. If Roberto Duran could confuse him and make him tentative, then what would the greatest middleweight champion have done to him? Carlos would have confused and bamboozled Marvin and beaten him with the simplest means...jabs, the one-two, knowing when to clinch..fighting tall, utilizing his reach and of course, with superior ring generalship like he did everyone else.

 

Hagler does not exceed Monzon in the greatness department.

 

How dumb can one be! As tho Marvin had never seen a jab before

given your logic, Hagler should've been rendered unconscious by Hearns no later than the 7th round

Consider: Hagler was extended by an aging Roberto Duran without so much as a knockdown or even the threat of one

and in a close fight to boot

Now consider this; Benitez beat Duran. Hearns beat same year Benitez by at least 13-2 in rounds

and then KO'd Duran in two brutal one sided rounds

Moreover, Hearns was at his peak, only 25 and had the edge in age, height, reach, speed

At the very least, Tommy should have been able to easily outbox Marvin with his height-reach-speed advantages

and at most, should've boxed him silly before putting him away with a humiliating early to mid rounds tko (in blood red Jose Napoles style)

Why did Tommy not confuse, bamboozle Marvin with a simple jab? He was a lot faster than Monzon, and more dangerous by far :think

Hmm? Answer that

Would you still consider your argument a compelling one?

I think not!

btw, Marvin has dispatched several taller opponents. Height is not going to play a factor in this one and Monzon has no edge in strength, or speed. Not to mention his ribs would be a prime target

If beating Marvin was as easy just by pawing with the left jab, it would've been done long ago, and Marv wouldve never come close to being champion

 

Dumb? You're as primitive, lost and confused as you've always been...as stated by another poster in another thread, you have an astounding lack of vision as well..case closed.

 

Yeah, dumb!

you're ****ed because you failed to make a persuasive argument

you can do better than that. Don't give me none of this "hagler would've been confused by Monzon's jab and one-twos"

You're living in a fantasy world if that's honestly what you think and even more so if you expect others to believe it

Monzon was great but the simple fact is that Hagler was better and possessed the far better jab and more damaging hook. I SEEN Monzon's eyes practically roll in the back of his head in that second Briscoe fight. Hagler wouldve finished him right then and there, not to mention, wouldve been ahead on points at the time

I'm talking prime for prime, I don't know about 1977. probably not

 

Put him on ignore good bud; the rooster has c o c k- a- doodle
-dood. Too bad he didn't do it at sunrise when decent folks were still asleep.
No one who never saw Carlos never saw that "x-factor", that sudden put the pedal to the metal 3rd gear he launched out of nowhere!
But...a shout out to Rodrigo Valdez. Many modern posters don't do their research or math. Monzon, before his greatness had a, sorta, Ray Robinson resume fighting almost constantly in Argentina for years. Don't think for a moment that there weren't many BMF's in his younger days fighting him down there with that busy schedule of his (which the modern boys won't even approach: "I'll fight! For bucks!")
Look at his record during those years for pete sakes!
Rodrigo? Turned pro in 1962 at the ripe old age of 16 when we were in the 4th grade Red.
By the time Monzon and Valdez hit the big time they had been in numerous protracted wars which the modern boys would have avoided like the plague.
A shame that when Carlos-Rodrigo did fight their two fights, they were approaching mere shells of their Greatness.
IMO? Monzon gets the slight edge over Valdez but Rodrigo? A notorious slow starter prone to cuts on occasion but man! Could that BMF BANG! Monzon UD over Hagler. How about Valdez-Hagler adjusting for everything mentioned before in their prime?
Given all the 'givens' I've always placed Monzon and Valdez at the top tier of Middleweights.
I'm out....blessings Red!

 

you're fantasizing again. Hagler was by far the better boxer to any of Monzon's opponents and that includes Benvenuti

not to mention, he was a better boxer than any of them. Put the two together and that means big trouble for Carlos

No doubt, Carlos would be pressed to his limits and beyond

How many elite southpaws you seen him fight?

I saw none

that would make a huge difference and sure, he can train for him but is that the same as facing an elite southpaw for the first time?

I hate to say it but Hagler's high % connectivity, his flesh ripping jab, his body attack which must rank even higher than Joe Frazier (but without taking the punishment in return) not to mention, Hagler' success rate against taller opponents, would spell Monzon's doom

1977 I think would get away with a win but prime for prime, no way. NO middleweight would've been able to withstand Hagler's all out nuclear 50 million (F) degree assault

Monzon TRIES to box BUT,,,considering Monzon's closed left eye, bruised N boken ribs,,,. Hagler in five

After all, he's only human

 

Monzon would win by a close but clear decision.

 

You're right jowcol...this cobra isn't wasting any more time with this barnyard "foul"...

 

I could see a seasoned monzon beating a still green hagler on points, but prime for prime In my view there is no way in hell monzon can keep hagler at the range he'd need to to utilize his god given advantages. Hearns couldn't do it, monzon wouldn't do it either.