Monzon vs. Pavlik

Your entire post is useless, which is very unusual for you. You seem to be saying that size and physical strength don't matter. And at the same time, denying that Pavlik is WAY bigger than Monzon was. That makes no sense whatsoever.

All you did in your post was the routine drill: over rate the old timer, and under rate the modern fighter.

Monzon would have none of his usual advantages, and he would be fighting a guy who is extremely hard to hurt and has outstanding recuperative powers if he does get hurt. He might win a decision against Pavlik, but I read several posts on here that said stupid **** like Monzon by KO easy. Monzon would find himself in a very difficult fight against a man who is bigger, stronger, and hits way harder.

 

What a ****ing moron.

 

So Hopkins or somebody with his style and quality is the only person who can beat Pavlik?

 

Unless you are going to say that Monzon was weight drained most of his career, you have to assume he would fight at a lower weight under the 30 hour weigh in rules. There is no reason to believe he would fight at 160 under todays rules where junior middleweights are routinely 3-5 pounds over the middleweight limit at fight time. Monzon was regularly under 160 on the day of the fight. In other words, he weighed less at fight time than Martinez and Cintron, and he was only a 1/2" taller. Think before you post.

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You make absolute no sense. What are you talking about fight night weights for? If you think he could of made junior-middle or even welterweight, why didn't he?

 

They matter mate...but its just one part of the whole picture.

Carlos was superior to Kelly in a lot of areas and most of all proved it against a higher calibre of opposition.

Kelly may have him with those two things but you are kidding yourself if you think they will have such a big impact when Monzon's superior skills, timing, chin, ring generalship and ring smarts will most definitely play a bigger role in how this fight plays out.

 

I am denying that Pavlik is "way bigger" because he simply isn't "way bigger". I honestly don't even think he hit much harder either, if at all. KO'ing guys like Taylor and Miranda, both of whom would've been stopped by Monzon in a similar manner, doesn't prove it one way or the other. Pavlik is considered a huge puncher because his secondary assets aren't up to much, therefore his main trait is as a puncher. Such was not the case for Monzon, despite the fact that he often stopped much better fighters than not only the ones Pavlik has beaten, but Pavlik himself.

I certainly didn't deny that size and physical strength mattered, you just vastly overrated how much of an advantage in those categories Pavlik would have over Monzon. I certainly wouldn't give him any advantage in strength for one, in fact it'd bee the opposite in that regard. Monzon proved himself a much more physically imposing fighter in close than Pavlik ever has.

I know you love your boy, but he's badly outclassed here.

 

I know its a current fad to rip on Pavlik and a lot of it is warranted but even with that, he isn't beating Monzon. Monzon is one of the best middleweights of all-time and is simply too well rounded for Pavlik. I think Pavlik would do ok for himself and I don't think he gets stopped but he's losing against Monzon.

 

I hate it the way most fans will jump off a fighter's bandwagon after a loss...It's a learning experience! Sylistically Pavlik would give Monzon some problems, but it would be in the ability to adapt that would see Monzon come out an eventual (comfortable) winner. Pavlik at this point in time, can be counted on to either jab, double jab, hook, and cross in set patterns. Monzon on the other hand, while he has the same basic style...Has the experience to vary pace, distance, output...In these ways, Monzon's boxing IQ is far and away ahead of Pavlik. Monzon's excellent jab is what sets him apart...I could be totally wrong, but what I think Hopkins means when talking Monzon, is that his style would be difficult to read due to the way Monzon would vary the speed, power, and range of his jab...and he also used it to blind the opponent. Also, Monzon's sense of distance in a fight is great.

 

12 round limit - Monzon UD
15 round limit - Monzon KO 14