Monzon - Who feels that he's...

To most he will look quite average, not super fast, not super powerful, but add the sum of his parts and watch him close and he's quite the fighter. Not flash by any means but absolute hell to beat. It's the lack of flash and the fact that he doesn't look that great on the bare surface that lead many to believe he's not that good.

 

Monzon is like the Green Bay Packers of the mid-1960's.

You look at them from every angle and then ask yourself "How do I beat 'em".

Then the next problem is you find yourself on the field or in the ring with them.

 

Great analogy. I have no knowledge og the GB Packers team but I'm guessing they were like the Liverpool football team of the 70s and early 80s- a horrible machine that trounced everyone in its path through organisation and determination. :twisted:

 

His style turned me off but he is undeniably in the top 4,his record speaks for itself.

 

Surely you've seen redrooster rate Sibson and Roldan over him. I'd hazard a guess he'd also have 8 others above too going by those two :roll:

 

Well said. Monzon true talents were great stamina, constant effort, great height for a middle weight, and great durability. This is not to say he did not have skills. He did. Monzon just was not fast handed or a big puncher. He won though attrition.

I think Monzon is a definite all time great, but at the same time I think he’s a bit over rated. The best fighters he beat were mostly smaller blown up welters who were a bit past their primes. Monzon never faced off against a top natural middle weight with speed, or a top natural middle weight with big time power.

 

No.

Well, for one thing, he didn't really have much "star power," so to speak. That is, he wasn't American, he wasn't too immensely popular, his fights didn't really get that "megafight" build-up you see sometimes, he hardly ever fought in America, and he was somewhat overshadowed in the public eye by showier stars in the heavier weight divisions like Foster, Ali, Frazier and Foreman. In addition, at first glance, he doesn't really come across as being especially graceful or dynamic or overwhelming in the ring, and so people tend to overlook him in favor of fighters that do.

 

You wouldn't consider Valdez a big hitter?

 

john mispoke saying that his lack of flash leads others to believe he's not that good. He's a simpleton.

No one matches Carlos for accomplishments. But head to head I've seen others who have the style to beat him.