Monzon's Stamina

Put your ****ing cards on the table next time.

 

Hopkins says a lot of things. I don't think much of it. Both of his "picks" didn't seem to have a lot of substance, the first time he said Monzon was very tall, even though he's taller himself, and the second time he said his body blows would break Monzon, even though Monzon took Briscoe's best.

To me, Monzon vs Hopkins would come down to who is able to control the fight, either Monzon with his sheer physicality and consistent, thudding blows or Hopkins with his craftiness and counter-punching. Someone has to give in. Perhaps Monzon's "unflinching" mentality gives him the edge here, but he never fought a Bernard Hopkins, a crafty opponent whom he doesn't physically overmatch.

As for Monzon being "clearly" the best middleweight, I don't think there's any solid basis for this. His record is not leagues above Hagler's and certainly not above Greb's.

 

I'm sure he'd break down in tears.

Yeah, what a ****ing loser.

"No way" indeed.

Because prime Marvin Hagler is really comparable to those fighters?

When he was pushing 40, having undergone a near-death experience and returning to the ring as a shadow of his former self?

Obviously, a prime version of the greatest ever would be "owned".

Clearly indeed. Why even create the thread? It's obviously so clear to everyone.

Yeah, not sure Greb could even get past the mighty Briscoe myself.

Monzon was one of the crudest champions ever.

Well this has been remarkable. Essentially, what you've done is just say on repeat "Monzon would whoop this guy, Monzon would whoop that guy" having posted no analysis whatsoever. How persuasive. I mean, the fact that you think Monzon would destroy some of the best prizefighters in the history of the world when he couldn't destroy Jean Claude Bottier is beyond me. Like I said, you should have just put your cards on the beginning and admitted that you're a die-hard Monzon fanboy and that no amount of reason or evidence is going to persuade you to the contrary.

 

I pick very few MW's, past and present, to overcome Monzon. Not Lamotta, Zale, Cerdan, Carter, etc. King Carlos' reach, cool, and the ability to tie up an incoming opponent are what made him damn near unbeatable. However, Monzon's one Achilles' Heal, so to speak, is lack of speed. Roy Jones would've run circles around him. I think Hagler and Robinson, given their combination of power, elusivity and technique, would be able to outpoint him and maybe wear him out late. Do I think Hopkins can do so, too? My reply is no. Hopkins' craftiness is an asset, but I just can't see him getting to Carlos enough times to sway the judges cards. Hops has the range, but not quite the speed, enabling Monzon to wrap him up easier, whenever he tries to counter. Close but no cigar.

 

Sanchez also had amazing stamina. Never blowing hard between rounds or looking tired at all.

 

Harry dealt with the jabs of Tunney, Loughran and the Gibbons brothers well enough, and Carlos would hold neither a speed or endurance advantage here.