Moral victory is what it's all about in Hopkins vs. Calzaghe!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Feb 4, 2008.


  1. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The great strategical wisdom that would enable him to compete against a much busier Joe Calzaghe doesn't help Hops in his quest towards retirement... Why would he want to get the better out of a loss against Calzaghe and not take a former P4P best (RJJ) in what would make as much sense finantially?... The major incentive is always big doe, the thousands that will come to Mandalay Bay, but also all about their legacies - there's no doubt in my mind a win over Hops is the perfect icing on the cake for Cal and that works the other way around too. Of course, the loser will try to diminuish the aspects of that disappointment cuz there gat to be a loser, but they're going into this one with their minds set on victory.
     
  2. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    In that case, I will have given Hopkins too much credit for his intelligence level; unless he wins, that is, in which case, beside the fact that I will leave ESB, as promised, [don't worry about possible future aliases either; they're onto me big time!] I will consider it a minor miracle!

    Thank you for your reply, Dorfmeister.
     
  3. randeris

    randeris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't agree. To win by knockout, is still the original and the well, true way to win (not to be misunderstood, just could not find a better word). Do you then think Jersey Joe Walcott is the moral victor against Rocky Marciano? I sure don't. The winner is the winner, and the moral victor, unless ofcourse he won by cheating. Had Kessler landed a clean punch, knocked Calzaghe out, i don't think Calzaghe would feel like the moral victor.
     
  4. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can't possibly find a reason to insult Decebal and get him out of ESB other than him being convinced that Joe Calzaghe is gonna take a fight he's favored to win. Actually, it annoys me to think that someone would want Decebal or any other given individual to leave the board for believing in an outcome for a fight! Decebal should prove he's more than just man enough for Tyson86 and eat all that Tyson can give to him ( implicitly Tyson 86 should never leave the board either). Let's just recognise we don't know **** about what's gonna happen, **** Cal, **** Hops, let's just forget about chidish bets?

    I think this thread is not just about supporting Calzaghe but Tyson has a point in saying that a guaranteed win was suggested. There's nothing wrong about it anyway.
     
  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    As everything in my opening post suggests, I believe there is no way Hopkins can beat Calzaghe. This thread wasn't really about that, though.

    I haven't made any "leave ESB forever" bet with anyone. However, if my prediction of the outcome of this fight is wrong, I will leave, as I have said I would, because it means I haven't learned anything in a whole year of ESB.

    In the meantime, I will start debating the technical aspects of this fight with Dorfmeister, sues2nd, etc. and leave rhetoric to one side.
     
  6. peter5

    peter5 Marco.A.Barrera Full Member

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    Decebal, dont be a Tart!:good You dont have to leave ESB if Cal loses, it doesnt mean you didnt learn anything in a year here, it just means you got the prediction wrong,nothing wrong with that, nonoe has a 100% prediction rate, and it certainly doesnt lean you know nothing about boxing, and you know as well as I that you cant trust those ****ing Las Vgas judges!

    Calzaghe by UD
     
  7. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I already said I'd bet several thousand with you, but we have never discussed deals.
     
  8. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    If Calzaghe fights like I think he will, there is nothing the Las Vegas judges will be able to do about it. I am a big Calzaghe fan, but this is not about Calzaghe, or about Hopkins. This is a "bet" I have made with myself. :good

    Let's not talk about me anymore, though.

    Let's talk analyse technical aspects of the fight.
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I don't trust you or respect you so I will not be entering into any bets with you.
     
  10. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wish Tyson86 and Decebal start to debate without any unnecessary use of empty rhetoric or strong language too. I guess sues2nd has the same view as I have but I am a little handicaped here - I made a bid on ebay and am about to buy Joe C entire career collection just now - so I can tell that since last night, I am almost fully focused on Wlad vs Brewster II, Iggy vs Briggs and Iggy vs Holy and technicalities between those two... Still I will be glad to post when I think it's necessary about Cal-Hops, not just posting to increase my number of posts - that's just irrelevant to me! Thank you friends Decebal and Tyson86.
     
  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    This is where I get off, in this thread. I will not respond to any more posts.
     
  12. peter5

    peter5 Marco.A.Barrera Full Member

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    Fair enough :good Personally I dont believe Hopkins can handle JC's workrate for one, and secondly, people talk about Hopkins' ability to adapt and work a opponent out during a fight and make them fight his fight, this is precisely what joe does, I was in Cardiff when he fought Kessler, and for the first 4 rounds I was slightly concerned, but from that point on it was a domination from Joe, I dont see any reason why it will be different on April 19th. And for me, this is Hopkins' biggest test, taking on a p4p fighter in his natural weight division (if you count the fact JC has struggles to make weight for a while at 168)

    Peace