Morales-Barrera trilogy scorecards

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    FIRST FIGHT


    BARRERA: 1,2,3,8,9,11,12
    MORALES:4,5,6,7,10

    7-5 Barrera

    Tough rounds to score sometimes, I think 3 and 7 could have gone either way, but they got one each, so cool. The knockdown was bs, but I still don't think Morales did enough. I think he got nailed down in the eleventh and the twelfth.



    SECOND FIGHT

    To me, Morales won this one pretty clearly. I just think that Barrera's strategy was all wrong, he's not going to take rounds from Morales going away and jabbing, the range is all wrong, it plays to Erik's greatest strength, and the energy he's conserving isn't going to be worth it in a 12 round fight. I think that Morales's wobbly legs come the 12th vindicate a strategy like that in a 15 round fight, and maybe helps to underline the difference between the two distances and the reasons having the longer distance might be important.

    I really enjoyed Morales in the tenth, which is the highest level i've seen him fight at. That Morales really could trouble anyone in history, he controlled the action with three different styles and dominated a Barrera who was basically in the middle of a scorecard rush, having won three of the last four and about to win both the final rounds. He kept flat feet except when he had to and basically perfected his type of boxing for three minutes.

    He looked disorganised again in the 11th though and got the **** knocked out of him in the 12th.

    MORALES: 1,2,3,4,5,7,10
    BARRERA: 6,8,9,11,12

    7-5 MORALES

    Certainly not a robbery but a bit of a head-scratcher. I guess they're all even for me anyway, I just have it the other way around...looking forwards to the third.



    THIRD FIGHT

    I think Morales at times showed a tactical naivety in the fight, but it may have been simply about his stamina and conditioning. There were snatches of rumours that he wasn't properly motivated and all that there. It's strange though, because you feel he knows what needs to be done after the first two.

    Barrera's handspeed sure shows through as now legitimately superior in this one, he also looks a good deal smoother. Morales has to get into him to break that up and give himself a chance at the rounds. In the end I had him doing that, just enough to salvage a draw. But I have no qualms with the official verdict really, I think you could justify just about any close card here.

    MORALES:2,4,7,8,11,12
    BARRERA:1,3,5,6,9,10

    6-6

    Interesting that Morales pulled out the last two (eleventh is arguable) for the first time. Maybe his stepping off the gas in the mid rounds isn't a mistake. Only he'll know what he had left.

    So, I have it 1-1-1 and don't agree with the judges once :lol:




    I think the third one is the most interesting one, and although I have it a draw, I think it underlines why Barrera would go 2/3 with Morales officially more often than not. He's faster, he's a better composite puncher and although Morales is busier, Barrera can contest Morales rounds with harder punching and a generally superior offence. Because he's also the cuter of the two, he should be capable of outscoring Morales over 36 rounds. Morales has to work to take rounds, and that's just the harder bag, especially as it is demonstrated that he doesn't have prohibitavely more stamina than Barrera, even if he does indicate that he has more. That is, he is not equal to Barrera in freshness despite his higher workrate - he needs to deliver upon a style his body can't quite cash. There are short spells in the fights when Morales gasses a bit and Barrera immediatley becomes sharklike, dangerous looking...

    Fascinating trilogy, probably overated as a blood and guts showdown, but very layered. Lots is going on. There are spells in the fight that don't look like they belong in the fight.

    Morales in round 10 of 2 looks lethal, a genuine killer at the weight. That was a bit of a perfect storm for him though.


    Thoughts on the trilogy? Any more scorecards?
     
  2. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    I'd have to rewatch them again to post an exact scorecard, but I've had Barrera edging the first one close but clear every time, the 2nd usually a very tight decision for Morales and even a draw on one occasion, and the 3rd comfortably to MAB. With the whole Vasquez-Marquez IV mishap, this is back to being my favorite trilogy of all time. I've seen better action fights and better technical/tactical battles, but never have I seen fights that so perfectly balanced the two.

    Agree very much with this bit:
     
  3. McGrain

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  4. Boxed Ears

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    The only time I remember bothering to score it (not bothering in a good way, not a bad way) at the moment is the first, which I had to Barrera. I'd like to watch them all again but then I couldn't be here talking about it. :blood It's funny how that works out.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Just watch them ***, none of your lip.
     
  6. lufcrazy

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    1: mab
    2: Morales
    3: mab

    I think the first two are more relevant as they were bang in their respective primes. The last was more of a "who has something to offer world boxing" type of fight.
     
  7. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I'll watch them again soon and give you my official scorecards, but I scored all three for MAB. I actually think with the exception of the third fight they could have either way. I didn't feel like MAB was robbed in 2000. He landed the cleaner shots, the harder shots, but he allowed himself to be outworked in a lot of the rounds. The second fight, again, I really don't see too much of a disparity between the two. I remember giving it to MAB by one point. He closed much stronger whereas I felt the first 6 rounds actually proved to be nip and tuck rather than Morales supposedly handing out a lesson. Madness.

    So yeah, I'll rescore them for you soon and report back, but I thought the first two were genuine 50/50 fights whereas MAB clearly got the better of the action the third time around.

    The third fight was the most important fight of MAB's career. It was a make or break fight. Can you imagine where his standing would have been if he lost to Pacquiao and twice to Morales? He'd almost have been remembered as being a nearly man with one moment in the sun.

    I agree with all of this.
     
  8. turbotime

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    Yeah Boxed :nono!


    I have the first for Barrera CLEARLY. Funny how Morales was supposed to walk through him badly and Barrera turned it around and put it on him.

    Morales won the second CLEARLY and have never scored it for Barrera. Morales boxed wonderfully that fight.

    The 3rd could go either way. I don't know why people think Barrera won it hands down. Pretty much the closest out of the trilogy, easily. Have scored it a draw, for Barrera, for Morales. Depends on the day really :lol:
     
  9. McGrain

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    Yeah, third fight, scored it twice, got a draw twice.
     
  10. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    So many swing rounds... really it comes down to what you like in the end. Or you could score it by the minute I guess...
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It's funny that the way we watch fights down the years has changed. Old time fight films used to be rare. When I was a kid we had about thirty fights between us. Now, if a fight isn't available in good quality...guys get sad. Pretty cool.
     
  12. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    There are plenty of fights not available in good quality, and ones that will probably never will be, but Barrera-Morales II certainly isn't one of them. Easily found. HBO or Sky.
     
  13. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    It just goes to show how people can view fights differently.

    I personally don't see Morales winning the second fight clearly. I mean, it's about as close as a fight can get and yet the vast majority seem to buy the idea that it was a robbery. The same goes for the first fight. It stands to reason fight fans are getting to get particularly emotional about these fights considering the heated rivalry, but they weren't robberies...either of them. Not really.
     
  14. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Yes, but you really like Barrera. I thought the first 2 were clearly for the other guy. I've no problem with Barrera getting the 3rd one though as I've scored it for him.
     
  15. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    And yet here I am saying he lost the first fight fair and square. Think about it.