morales was not shot

Very True!:good

 

Raheem, the last two-three rounds of the first fight with Pac (when he more or less retired in the 12th round by going southpaw), the last two fights against Pac and the fact that he didn't walk through David Diaz is enough reasoning for me to see that he's shot. Not to mention the fact that he's slower than ever and was getting outhustled by DAVID friggin Diaz.

Do you think even a faded Morales gets beaten to the punch by David Diaz?

 

Its a symptom of the past. Your new here so I can understand if you don't know this, but if you look back at the threads here even before Pac-JMM 2, you'll notice that its the other way around, namely:

It was typical of the JMM fans/Pac haters to include Pac in every JMM thread that has NOTHING to do with him(Pac) and try discredit him every chance they get.

So if you see Pac fans try to "discredit" JMM(though I don't even think puga's discrediting JMM with that statement of his), just try to realize that the JMM fans also did the same thing and earlier. Just put that into perspective.

 

no ****. when did diaz-santa cruz and santa cruz-casa happened? comapred to casa-corrales that was eons ago.

 

what comes arounds stays around. you cannot give credit to jmm beating casa if you cannot give credit pac beating morales. and i'm not a jmm hater please.

 

good post but thats boxing too.

would anyone here have complained if cotto was stopped in the second round against torres?

and would anyone have complained if JMM was given both decisions against pacman?

i wouldn't.

but it's how you respond, especially if you lose a fight like this, that determines how people remember and judge you.

that's why prince naseem will always be remembered as a fighter who sold ego and skill but then folded when he lost.

morales is of course on a different level to naseem and i'm not making a comparison, but you see my point.

 

exactly. :good

i find it to be unfair for some people crediting marquez beating casa while the same people are discrediting pac for beating morales who is by the way is much younger than casa. if you discredit pac, discredit marquez. if you credit jmm, credit pac. thats all i am saying.

 

Casa-Corrales tres was in 06 I believe...a year BEFORE Santa Cruz-Casa in 07. I think it's almost a year to the date.

So yes, the years were pretty close together if you want to argue that.

 

This thread isn't even about JMM/Pac. So if anyone wants to use that as their agenda then that's entirely on them.

It's about Erik Morales being shot...which I think the general consensus agrees that he was.

 

MAB can fight Pac 10* in a row and he would loose 10*. Is that to say he's shot or simply his competetion is that good?

By the 2nd fight, the guy's whos beaten MAB & raheem. MAB beat Morales in his prime too so loss from him doesnt mean he's shot. As for Raheem, well the first post explains it.

 

And was still a good fighter being shot

 

He definetely left a part of him in the ring after the first Pac fight,probably even after the third Barrera fight

 

Last sentence aside, this is pretty much the correct answer in a nutshell.

It doesn't anything away from Pac to call it like it is. Morales was shot when he came to Pac and managed to dig out one last epic performance in their first fight. He pretty much retired in that fight...one of the best performances I've seen in a long time.