morales was not shot

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  1. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    the fight with raheem was unmotivated, he did'nt even made the 135 weight limit, jesus that was like guzman on his way up to lightweight. and morales was still clearly the stronger puncher between him and raheem, raheem scores because of slickness which a bloated morales couldn't catch and avoid.
     
  2. mexican legend

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    A motivated younger Morales would have killed Raheem. Anyone with a brain can see that.
     
  3. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    even at that stage, if morales trained properly he could beat raheem, even at lightweight. but all cards were stacked against morales, he was coming from a war against pac, he was stepping up to lightweight for the first time, he has all people around him telling him he's the best in the world after he beat pac and that went inside his head, he neglected training and didn't even make weight.

    when he's focused, he made weight at 130 for the pac rematch and did well during the early goings. its just that pac had changed his strategy and used more control in his punching. had he fought morales the same way he did in the first fight, morales would have won the fight again hence, people would have praised him for another masterful display of boxing.
     
  4. mexican legend

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    You also have to think about how much wars he has been in. Cleary the ones with Barrera were brutal. He also had tough fights with Zaragoza and several others before he even got his first world title. All those types of wars slows your body down and it makes it tougher for you to train. Now I give Pacquiao credit for making his adjustments like you said in the second fight but if you think Morales was in his prime when he faced Pacquiao you are clearly wrong.
     
  5. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    morales wasn't in his prime but he wasn't shot either. like i said, it's like roberto duran who was past his physical prime when he left the lightweight division but still capable of enduring wars and giving terrific performances like when he fought hagler and barkley. morales was in that same situation, not prime but isn't shot either. what made him shot was after his rematch with pac where he was TKO'd. heck even after that he outboxed diaz better than armando sta. cruz did.

    pac today isn't in his physical prime either, compare him to his heydays at 122 and 126 or his three round drubbing of morales and you'll see the difference, he's not even punching with enough leverage now and is throwing mostly arm punches, but he isn't shot either.
     
  6. mexican legend

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    Skills were clearly diminishing though. He wasnt has fast and quick on his feet like when he was in his prime.
     
  7. batang kanto

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    but this is intotal contrast to those who would picture that morales was already shot when he and pac met. morales still ahd a lot to give.
     
  8. mexican legend

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    Wasnt shot but far from his best I would say.
     
  9. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    this video shows erik in some great matchups ,thanks for the vid
    it also shows barerra catching erik coming in and hurting him backing up
    which is the exact way manny fights with manny having the edge due to his natural power
    out of all those fighters kelley, zaragoza, chavez,none were in pacs level besides barerra
     
  10. jupzrooni

    jupzrooni Tyler Durden Full Member

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    on the 2nd fight? morales is past prime... but you can't consider him as shot...

    prime pac and prime pac (who wins) is still up to debate.. but saying em is shot on the 2nd fight discredits pac's win...
     
  11. jupzrooni

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    love you mex legend.. you are one of the few objective mex posters in this forum i would say.. thanks..
     
  12. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But a motivated and younger Morales would've been fighting a weight class or two below 135. It's doubtful they could ever have even met earlier than they did.
     
  13. chino2dapiapimp

    chino2dapiapimp WBC Fecarbox champ Full Member

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    Morales barely had legs in his last 6 fights watch the fights, than watch vintage Morales
     
  14. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He sure had legs when he beat PAC the first time....and even in the rematch where he got KO'd he looked outstanding in the intial 3 rounds...PAC just started to get his rythm and timing down and EM began to feel the punches more, which he stated.....actually he may have said that after the rubber match. But EM definitly wasn't physically prime for the last two fights wth PAC, but he wasn't shot either.
     
  15. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A 130lb Morales obviously isnt gonna be as fast as a 122 Morales. same as how a 135 Morales isnt gonna be as fast as a 130 Morales. Morales in the 2nd fight was still an elite p4p fighter who was favoured by most here claiming him to be shot. Nuff said.