More Anecdotal Evidence Shane will be using Lateral Movement against PBF....

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  1. Requiem4Hvywht

    Requiem4Hvywht Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Go to the sight where the Fight is all about the hype and read the following excerpt of an interview with Nazim: "Naazim Richardson: "I'm not bringing them other 40.....I'm bringing a living legend".

    Go read this article. It is very short as it is only an excerpt from the interview with Naazim from the recent media day, but I think it goes another step closer to verifying what I believe will be a major tactic used by Mosley in this fight.

    Lateral Movement

    Some may disagree with this tactic, but I am not one of them. I totally agree with it. It still remains to be seen if Shane can execute it well enough to win come May 1st. But I am sleeping a little better now that I believe Shane won't be employing a strict come forward pressure fight tactic.

    I believe the key to offsetting PBF's timing is NOT so much a standard jab, or pressure behind a jab.

    No no no no no no no no! A fighter's jab can be used against him. It is one of the reasons PBF doesn't use his as much as he could. I believe the way to offset PBF's timing is via movement, and flurries that come "off" rhythm. By that I mean NOT in rhythm.

    This "off" rhythm concept is not new to Shane. Shane's dad was a big believer in it. In the first DLH fight you can hear Shane's dad yelling this out to Shane, when referring to Shane's attempt to set up combination's with his jab.

    Naaz also stated he feared PBF's timing more than anything and the "off" rhythm concept is just a tool to keep yourself from creating patterns or rhythm's of movement or punching that can be timed easily.

    That is why I believe coming forward, even behind a jab creates too consistent a pattern for the supreme counterpuncher PBF. It allows PBF to know where you will be at all times. And once he picks up on the pattern of how you are choosing to close distance and what punches you are throwing his counters normally start honing in on their target with incredible accuracy.

    The key is to make PBF have to do a little guessing, where usually he has his opponents doing all the guessing. That guessing will force PBF to do something he doesn't like to do: Lead and come forward at times.....and this isn't coming forward and leading against the likes of JMM. He will have to lead and come forward against SSM, a man that can KO him with either hand.

    Someone who isn't shorter in height or reach, who doesn't have a weight disadvantage, someone who isn't markedly slower of hand or foot, and someone who is DURABLE.

    I can't wait for this fight......it is going to be a great fight despite some of the pessimism I have been hearing lately from the haters.

    P.S. - Also if u still doubt my comments about the use of a jab. Ask yourself why PBF camp keeps going on and on about Shane needing one to win the fight? That my friends is a complete psych job going on there. I think Roger knows like I do it is not just throwing a jab that will matter, it is throwing it at the right distance and frequency so it cannot be countered.

    Should Shane use his jab yes, especially as a counter, but he should not be throwing it for the sake of throwing it.
     
  2. DoubleM

    DoubleM Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    so Shane is going to not use his strength and fight completely out of character and excepts to beat the best fighter in the world

    LOL
     
  3. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Solid post....

    It makes a hell of a lot of sense..Question is, can Shane pull it off?
     
  4. Monstar

    Monstar The Future.. Full Member

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    didn't know shane was fighting Pacman
     
  5. northstar

    northstar Member Full Member

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    I also remember Nazim being asked: how did they plan on cutting off the ring against pbf? In response, Nazim stated something to effect of,they didn't get the documentation that stated they needed to cut the ring off against floyd.

    I think shane is going to shock many people. He's going to pull a rabbit out of the mutha f*ckin hat.
     
  6. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    No, but he will probably beat mayweather.
     
  7. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've been sayin he's gonna box too. I believe this.

    He's stated it before as well.
     
  8. ricardinho

    ricardinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Off Rhythm at varying paces would be hard for Floyd as it would ruin his timing. Thats what Floyd does best he figures your timing out....I agree great post
     
  9. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    All that "off rhythm" stuff works if the other guy isn't that fast or gifted with reflexes.

    This will be interesting.
     
  10. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Solid post. I thought it was given he needed lateral movement as Mayweather is dominant in the middle of the ring but certainly vulnerable on the ropes. I also think being unpredictable, or "Off rhythm" as the OP says is method needed to disturb a counter-puncher with Mayweather's kind of timing.

    I have a hunch that though that at some point of the fight toward the end when Mosley is either tired or possibly trailing that he needs to just try overwhelming and going after Floyd. There has to be a Plan A and than a plan b. Notice plan b is not capitalized. Something has to budge.
     
  11. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Roy Jones Jr has done this throughout his career. Patterns are really bad because then you telegraph your punches much like Hopkins did in Jones Hopkins 2 where he would throw two jabs, a headbutt and then hold.

    Eventually the other fighter knows that you'll hold after throwing 3 punches, they even figure out that after throwing 2 jabs you'll throw your most powerful punch. Thats when the smart fighter counters with an uppercut, it's the punch Jones should have used more and it's the punch that will make or break Mosley because Mayweathers check hooks leave him open to uppercuts if you time it right. This counter will force Mayweather to fight behind the jab. Mayweather is also weak to feints, so the feint of the jab or of the hook will disrupt his rhythm.


    If you want to see who was a master at this, watch a prime Roy Jones Jr in his tactical fights. In specific watch some of the fights with is dad in his corner, this was one of his primary tactics. His movements were some of the most deceptive movements I've seen in boxing, he would pose to confuse the opponent for a split second and this would open the opponent up to counters. He would deliberately create random movements so that his patterns would be harder to read by the opponent, he would feint better than just about anyone, and his showboating while amusing to the crowd was mainly used for reasons such as hiding the fact that he was hurt, or used to make the enemy commit to throwing punches which would be telegraphed.

    I believe P4P Prime Roy Jones Jr would have beaten Mayweather specifically because Prime Roy Jones Jr was a completely unpredictable fighter. Nobody knew if he would throw a jab, a hook, a leaping uppercut, or a bodyshot, and he would take his opponent out by using the movement of a hook and turning it into an uppercut as he did against Griffin. There is no defense against that kind of stuff because it's completely untelegraphed.

    Watch Bruce Lee and his movements were untelegraphed and seemed random. This is one of the reasons fighters like Tyson never could beat certain fighters. The elite boxers never telegraph their punches and if you watch Mayweather he never telegraphs his punches either. Mosley telegraphs his punches when he gets tired, so the key for him is to win the early rounds and he will have to be in great shape to win the fight.
     
  12. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dkv_x1aifo[/ame] non telegraphed punching, and lateral movement

    Shane may not be as fast as Roy Jones but if he still has his legs and he can mix up his punches as well as Roy is doing in his 3rd professional fight, he will have a chance. He also has to throw significantly more punches than Floyd.

    The winner will be the fighter who throws the most punches and who lands them at the highest percentage.
     
  13. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Shane needs to make Mayweather come forward. If he tries to lead and pressure aimlessly hes in for a serious beating.
    I just dont think Shane has enough skills with his jab to really be effective in that style.