More counter-programming PLS! Canelo breaks Showtime record, Martinez PPV hits 600k

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  1. BigBone

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    So you missed Canelo sparking a brave Josesito because you were busy watching Sexy Sergio skool & survive? Couldn't catch Martinez-Beltran because up and down you jumped during Maidana-Soto Karass? Or you were praying while watching one show that your recorder doesn't **** up the other?

    That's good, because you were twice as buzzed as normally, as a matter of fact, advertisements and documentaries on two networks and supporting channels meant exponentially more boxing hype overall than back-to-back shows could offer - with the counter-programming and extra ad rounds average Joe and Jane couldn't miss that boxing is alive and doing well, and both shows delivered.

    So a few of us suffered the injustice of having to choose which one to watch live, but the sport benefited overall from the rivalry of networks, promotions and superstars; it was hard NOT to watch boxing this past Saturday.

    More counter-programming please!
     
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  3. BigBone

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxnsmsXYGJ4[/ame]
     
  4. fatcity

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  5. BigBone

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  6. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    agree, this forces better cards and free cards to get more viewers
     
  7. BigBone

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    30k people bought ticket this weekend in the same town, at the same time. Surely not ideal to see one and miss the other, but it's like a parade that costs without return expected, this was boxing showcasing it's power, and it was great!
     
  8. purephase

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    Completely disagree. It's bad for the long-term health of the sport, as it's difficult enough for it to get attention for one decent non-Pacweather card without the audience being split. Yes the promoters might have invested more in this because of their pissing contest, but that investment doesn't undo the damage caused by hosting two cards at the same time and isn't going to get casuals more interested in the sport. Indeed, that such an effort was made at promoting these two cards, and not others, simply once again reveals how myopically focused Schaefer and Arum are short-term gains rather than the long-term health of the sport.
     
  9. BigBone

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    The best thing for business is competition, it makes ppl's heads turn. Think a world with Apple or Samsung only, next phone how boring, we have the same thing. But when they jump at each others throat and my phone is better than yours, sales go crazy.

    The fact alone that despite knowing the big rival is doing a big card two blocks away Both promotions had confidence to go on and found huge success Shows there's enough buzz for multiple events on one night. It's been questioned whether boxing can do such a thing, and we answered emphatically.

    We don't need weekly H2Hs, but every year or so boxing should throw a parade to the world, an investment for future fight fans not just milking the current ones, because when Top Rank and Golden Boy promo machines kick off at the same time, word of boxing gets to exponentially more people.

    You see the buzz here? So many passionate discussions of different fights and fighters, the General feels healthy again.
     
  10. purephase

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    Every single form of competition is not necessarily a good thing for boxing. Competition between promoters could lead to different sides attempting to make better cards to outshine each other in some instances, but can also preclude the best and most desired possible fights from getting made and breed a culture of insularity. Competition between networks could potentially lead to better cards, but it could also lead to output deals for promoters of favored fighters.

    Your parade of boxing proposal sounds nice in theory, but it would be loads better in practice if Top Rank and Golden Boy were promoting a show in conjunction with each other. This weekend was in some ways good for boxing fans like you and I because we got to see a host of good fights within a short time frame, but we've already bought in and I maintain it didn't actually help the health of the sport.

    Neither fight received a great deal of coverage nationally in the American media in part due to the split audience; if a single card was promoted for this weekend however, there's a better chance it would attract that attention. The audiences for both cards may have reflected well on the current popularity of the sport, but counter-programmed cards, like so much of the other bull**** promoters today pull, will not have positive consequences in the long-run. Indeed, if this makes Schaefer and Arum think they can get away with this crap in the future (and I'm sure they're already hard at work on dual May 5th cards), it will be particularly harmful. This is especially so if one card, no matter how stacked it appears in theory, ends up with a set of disappointing fights.
     
  11. bballchump11

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    I agree to an extent. i hope they don't make a habit of this especially if they have 2 ppv going on the same night
     
  12. kirk

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    The reason I like it (and the only reason lol) is that when two promoters go head to head like that it gives them reasons for wanting to put on a better show to try and get the spotlight. There was a competetive air between the two cards and I like that.

    And I know this sounds crazy but Im being serious, as a boxing fan I would really consider buying two TV's so this sort of thing doesnt happen again (missing one fight for the other) Having them both set up in the den and watching both cards at the same time.
     
  13. DemolitionDan

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    I will say this, this was the first boxing weekend, without Pacquiao/Mayweather/Hatton/De La Hoya, that actually had people talking. I was able to walk about and people know that I'm a boxing guy, and they wanted to talk about the big boxing weekend in Vegas. It was a big event going into the the weekend that had a lot of buzz, and it actually got more buzz afterwords. I'm not going to sit here and say it's good or bad long term, but this weekend was a major success. The people in my area actually talked about boxing for the first time without the need of Mayweather, Pacquiao, etc.
     
  14. BigBone

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    Disagree big time. What "this crap" are you talking about, both cards were great and hugely successful never mind not featuring a single household name for the American audience. If your point were "a double-header may bring more attention than a single show, but NOT DOUBLE THE BUZZ to justify counter-programming", there would be something to it, but reports tell a different story.

    Chavez Jr., never bringing more than what, 70k PPVs, and Martinez, HBO regular for a very limited audience, their fight was never going to be on Pac-JMM level right? But Iole's hearing PPV numbers as high as 500k, even if that's 400k in the end, that's how much Pacquiao-Marquez II delivered, and I'm pretty sure the Canelo show will end up being Showtime's top3 success this year, maybe #1. And Alvarez is a new kid for the US crowd and Josesito is unknown for the larger viewership.

    So in the end, the better undercards and extra rounds of advertisement to outdo one another possibly brought better individual performances for TR and GBP than if they were doing it on separate dates. Together, boxing might've just put the most asses in seats than any other show in the past 10 years with no household names. It was hard to miss there was big time boxing on Saturday, and there was no Pacquiao, no Mayweather, no De La Hoya, no Klitschko, no Hatton, no Marquez.
     
  15. Dece Bal

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    I thought you were being ironical, BB...