more embarrassing knockdown?

‘So you consider a fighter with a decade's professional experience the same as someone with no amateur experience making his pro-debut?’

It’s not that simple though, Ngannou has also been sparring/competing with some of the best kick-boxers and MMA strikers in the world for over 15 years. In fact, some of those same kick boxers and MMA strikers arguably have better boxing fundamentals than Galento as well. I feel like calling Ngannou a novice is unfair, he’s had at the very least 15 years of boxing experience at a lower level. Galento’s level wasn’t much higher, as made evident by his winning resume.


‘I did not see the fight so cannot say which fundamentals he did or did not display. Which do you think he showed that were better?’

Better jab, right cross, balance, footwork, body work. I do think Galento has a better left hook though, but Francis’ left isn’t to shabby itself. Fury didn’t have an answer to it. Francis wasn’t a boxing wizard but he knew the fundamentals well enough.

 

You see, look at this fight, he is throwing and defending punches in a pro fight.

Only in Boxing people say "in a completely different sport"....... if Francis goes to a world grappling tournament and do fine and almost beat their champion, nobody will overreact, because of course he does train the ****ing thing too.

MMA fighters can do well fighting different things, what a shock, lol it's the biggest feature of the sport of MMA lol.

Francis is not special in anything except his power, but he can be a good opponent to any other guy in any fighting style because he is what again ?

A MIXED (pay attention to the words) martial arts fighter.

 

Francis Ngannou is a fighter too, world class, the best HW there is. Most of the fights in his career he ended it with his hands.
Tyson Fury was not dropped by Tiger Woods.

 

Louis should be more embarrassed to by dropped by Braddock. At least Galento had a rep of being a hard hitter

 

Calling him a novice is unfair? He's had no amateur or professional boxing experience. The sparring and competing that you mention was in a different sport with a totally different skill set, rules and style of fighting. He's the definition of a boxing novice. That's meant as no disrespect to him because no matter how woeful Fury was Ngannou brought a hell of a lot to the fight. It should not have been able to be that close in the first place. And can't help but wonder where he would if his career had been in boxing from the start.

Not having the seen the fight I cannot say if your claim on the fundamentals are right or not. I can see we will not agree here the knockdowns they are not even comparable, in my opinion.

 

Yes Ngannou is an exceptionally good fighter with a great MMA record, but he was making his boxing pro-debut and only lost on a split decision. Louis was dropped by Galento a fighter with dozens of fights over a decade. Who he then battered to defeat in the next round. The comparison was over the embarrassment of those knockdowns. His performance yesterday was worst than Louis' against Galento by a huge margin..

 

‘Calling him a novice is unfair? He's had no amateur or professional boxing experience. The sparring and competing that you mention was in a different sport with a totally different skill set, rules and style of fighting. He's the definition of a boxing novice.’

Not really, boxing training is crucial to MMA and Francis is known as more of a boxing oriented fighter striking wise. No doubt he’s specifically sparred and trained boxing countless times, and many of his training partners and striking opponents have better boxing fundamentals than Tony Galento and a good chunk of people on his resume. You can’t be a novice on 15 years of training and sparring, he was only a novice career wise. His skill set is clearly above a novice, especially when compared to Tony Galento.


To each’s own though, I think both Fury and Louis would’ve made Ngannou and Galento look easier in rematches.

 

No amateur or professional boxing experience and in his pro-debut. We will have to agree to disagree

 

He was making his boxing debut the same way Lionel Messi would make his debut in futsal if he was going to play it. You think he would do too bad ? Hell no.

When Fury threw his jab that was not something new to Ngannou, he had seen a jab to his face a million times before...

Fury still won, so you know.... my point is that people are overreacting. It does make Fury look bad anyway...... but to me, I look at it as if Fury was being dropped by someone like Gerald Washington.

 

Ngannou is a PRO FIGHTER, just because he came from other sport does not mean you can write him off. If Fury was fighting a NBA guy and struggle like he did, than yeah I bring up issues, but Ngannou is a world class FIGHTER.

 

Rademacher would have ko'ed Ngannou badly. I mean a 37 year old making his debut against an Olympic gold medalist?

 

Thank you. And we all knew he was a punching freak going in to this fight. Fury should be criticized for being unable to outbox him, not for being ****ing dropped...

 

Not to gush or overstate, but I really liked Ngannou's approach for its minimalism. Sure, he could do with more mobility and match conditioned stamina, but I've seen so many boxers overdo the movement and jumping around - to no practical end, wasting valuable stamina.

Francis, debuting in boxing, newly subject to 10 X 3-minute rounds, had to be very considerate with his fuel tank. When he dropped Tyson, it could be argued that he might've done more in the follow up - a missed opportunity perhaps. But then, if Francis shot his wad without securing the KO in that round, he might've flagged badly thereafter.

No mistake, Francis was feeling the pinch stamina wise, naturally and as expected. His mouth was already open in the early to mid-rounds. I wonder if he went a bit too hard in his dressing room prep - he already looked a bit tired even then. Lol. Where the hell was Mike Tyson? I assumed Mike was going to be in his corner. I must've missed the memo on that.

I'm not comparing him to Louis in any way, shape or form, except for the economy and efficiency (due to necessity) reminding me of how Louis approached many of his fights. If Ngannou had had several pro boxing bouts under his belt prior to, he likely would've taken notably better stamina into the fight - which could've been even more disastrous for the Fury that turned up.

 

That makes zero sense. Galento was a serious pro fighter and did a neat little shift with his feet to change the angle of that left hand. And then Louis killed him.
Before you tell me about how fat Galento was, out of shape, etc...count up how many rounds he fought and how many fights he had. You don't fight that many rounds by being a slouch, no matter what anybody on the internet thinks 75 years later.
Tyson Fury has nothing to be embarrassed about because he is an amateur himself and has never fought as a professional or against a professional in his career.