More Impressive:JMM Over Diaz Or Pacman Over ODLH

The way UliUli thinks it's easy to predict what he's say next


Here's a simple chonological order the way uliuli thinks?!

A) what are the excuses will the PAC fans say if PAC losses to Hatton

B) PAC demolishes Hatton

C) PAC won over HATTON who was over trained coz he trained two week before PAC and Hatton was..........


The list goes on and on just to take out the credit!

 

JMM.
Because he actually fought an opponent.

 

Draw.Diaz has no pop, oskie old. Bull has can't beat grand daddy's campbell and Jmm. Who both came from south of 135. Pac and Jmm are both great fighters in my book.Diaz can't fight 10 rounds if it is all out brawl, with no clinching.

 

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people need to be consistent. its all good now that we can look with hindsight and proclaim that oscar was this and that, if it was such a mismatch then why not say it before the fight. no one knew how oscar would react and pac took a risk. no guts no glory, pac deserves full praise and is a bigger victory than diaz who isn't even the champ.

diaz victory was good pacs was historical. people will be talking about that fight in 50 years time. and the conversation would go like this " do you remember that flyweight that fought at welterweight and dismantled the goldenboy." "yeah thats the pac-man the greatest fighter of that era.":hi:

 

Disagree. After a fight when all the facts come out only then can you truely judge the validity of a victory, post fight hindsight is all that counts. You think people will say "yeah thats the pac-man the greatest fighter of that era." Well I'll draw your attention to Tyson - Douglas as an example of greatness coupled with hindsight. Sure people say Buster Douglas beat Tyson, but in the same breath they also point out that Tyson was partying, out of control and unfocused. 50 years from now they will identify with how weight drained and dehydrated Oscar was when weighing up the validity of Pac-mans win.

 

I have read a lot of posts of Douglas beating tyson but never heard of that excuse..maybe some were talking about that before, but now, never heard of it, but only Douglas upsets Tyson.....50 years from now, people will remember how JMM beat JD, and Pac beat DLH....And excuses will be buried with time...:good

 

Boxing history would critisize Oscar's preparation despite having Nacho and Angelo dundee in his corner. It will state how a former flyweight beat the crap out of a former middleweight, into submission or "no mas".

I assure you though it will be remembered more than the JMM and JD fight with all due respect.

 

Tysons training/work ethic and partying leading upto the Douglas fight is well documented, read any book on the fight, including build up. Excuses don't get buried with time either imo.

This will depend on the remainder of Pac-man and JMM's career's will it not? I also stand by my 'Osacrs condition' remark and the fact that Oscar had lost 4 in 7 including Pac-man. It will be given the same credability as Holmes win over Ali, Marciano's win over Louis etc. In fact imo Paquiao will get more credit with a win over Hatton.

 

This will depend on the remainder of Pac-man and JMM's career's will it not? I also stand by my 'Osacrs condition' remark and the fact that Oscar had lost 4 in 7 including Pac-man. It will be given the same credability as Holmes win over Ali, Marciano's win over Louis etc. In fact imo Paquiao will get more credit with a win over Hatton.[/quote]

I disagree with you. It wont be viewed as a Duran -Barkley in historical significance but it wont be holmes-ali too.
Heres my take,
Pac was a heavy underdog going throught the match(some called it a freakshow)
Pac virtually jump "3" weight division(i dont his stay at Lightweight as significant)
He made Oscar quit , giving him the worst beating of his career.
Nacho and Angelo Dundee publicly stated after the fight Oscar's camp was fine.

I just dont think you should deny the historical significance of a pacquiao win because Oscar screwed up.Im not claiming Pac beat a prime delahoya at welterweight.
A couple of months prior the match he gave PBF a competetive fight, and he won against steve forbes later.

JMM v.s. JD was good match no doubt. Who was favored to win? whats the historical significance of said match?

 

look how can we not give credit pac for that fight? its not his fault that delahoya messed up in his training. no one told delahoya to make weight 2 months before the fight. thats like when Naz never trained for barrera fight, did we discredit barrera's win because naz didn't properly train. that victory was historic, the only reason its being dismissed is because pac was close to perfect, if hoya managed to steal a couple of rounds there wouldn't even be a discussion of which victory was better.

 

Thats different, way different. Pac for me gets little credit for the DLH win, Oscar was a zombie.
Freddie Roach spotted the problems. The doctors report post fight pointed out how badly dehydrated ODLH was. Oscars conditioning coach pointed out the training flaws. But hey, don't argue with me, argue with Freddy Roach. This youtube video is my argument about the ODLH that stepped in the ring that night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbKml_g3zKg

 

Just because Freddie told that, doesn't mean Hoya should follow. It you want to blame someone for the lost. Blame Hoya himself for doing a thing like that. It's a very disrespectful thing to do. Come out like that so if you lose you have a good excuse.

 

didn't roach also say that delahoya doesn't like fighting fast fighters, southpaws, small guys. you just gave evidence to your claim and my claim. its a combination of both, but delahoya messed his training, 2 months prior to the fight he was at weight, any trainer knows thats wrong. everyone knew delahoya was on a downhill road up to that fight but everyone thought he would still win. everyone knew he wasnt the same fighter he was.

 

Guys I'm not saying Pac would have lost, I happen to thing he'd have got a UD. But to say ODLH was a little off is ridiculous. And does knowing these facts factor into the credit of the fight? You're damn right it does. I don't care who's fault it was, Oscars or his teams, thats irrelevant, fact is the guy who got in that ring under those conditions was a lamb to the slaughter. To compare this to Naz not training properly is also a no-no as far as I'm concerned. This is a screw up of massive proportions, not a training glitch, which if you know about his training leading upto the fight, you'll know his sparring went to **** just to add to things. You can't compare Ill training to a biological mess like this. A guy who trained bad can still adapt, throw punches etc A guy with no energy, dehydrating can't do ****. Osacr had both.

As I said, everyone is different, I give Pacman little credit for this win. Should he beat Hatton the credit due will be 10 fold imo.