More Impressive:JMM Over Diaz Or Pacman Over ODLH

like i said that was not manny's fault. we discrediting the win because what delahoya did. his fault so pac gets the credit.

 

Watch Hoya in the first 2 rounds, he threw punches, combinations, Pac's speed was just too much for the older man. Pac simply wasn't there to be hit and everytime Hoya tried to get off, Pac sneaked in a left.

Sure Hoya wasnt prime but too much is made of it and not enough credit given to Pac for EXPOSING the weaknesses in DLH that was factored in due to his weight and age. Pac fought smart from the outside and on the inside, a couple of times it showed who was the stronger man and who was more weary. Diaz would try to swarm inside and Oscar would land a left hook...that left hook would end the night.

Regardless, saying this and that would beat, TKO, KO DLH is all simply guesswork. Same guesswork people were making when they were saying DLH was gonna beat, TKO, KO Pac. Fact is, guessworks can be wrong, fact is, Pac proved on that night him and his fans were right that he could beat DLH, he didnt prove other fighters could beat DLH...thats their job.

 

it doesnt work like that tho, its no achievement to beat a shot fighter , hence why hatton got no credit for beating castillo

 

Castillo went up in weight to fight Hatton and Hatton was favourite. Pac came up 3 weight classes in a year to fight DLH and was a HUGE HUGE underdog. A circus match they called it, in favour of DLH. You get credit for daring and defying the odds..Pac did all that.

 

Same way alot of people judged the matchup that was DLH-Pac and most picked DLH by murder. That "keeping it real" guesswork proved to be simple fantasy...it aint real til its real.

 

your right that pac was underdog. your right that it was a good win. i agree with that. but you have to take into account that de la hoya was shot, under weight and a human punch bag. surely you dont think hoya was at his best on dec 6th? I know its not mannys fault that hoya was shot, but the fact remains that hoya was a **** poor opponent. and the 3 weight class thing, at 130 the win over JMM could have gone either way, the win over diaz was good but again david diaz is hardly the best lightweight. cherry picking is why he fought david diaz. If he beats Hatton then you can actually say that pac fought the best in the division(something he hasnt done since JMM) and deserves all the credit. but until then, hhis last 2 wins have been ok at best.

 

I think 'shot' might be a little strong. I think if ODLH got it right would still have been beaten by Pac, just not destroyed in the manner he was. I believe somewhere inside Oscar there's still a guy who can fight, just not he way he used to.

 

The only reason hoya was favoured is because he should have been much heavier than pac.

 

skillwise - jmm over diaz
legacywise - pac over oscar

overall - pac over oscar

 

David Diaz was a tuneup, taking a champ on your division debut is pretty impressive. DLH wasnt exactly cherrypicking, they feared for his lives and even his trainer was nervous as hell...he couldnt sleep thinking about it. It was a great win based on 2 things, he dared to be great and he defied the odds...its not his fault DLH didnt prepare properly.

Also like I said, it hard to say exactly what state DLH was in that night...whether he was that bad or Pac made him look that bad. DLH was facing a stylistic nightmare that night and if an opponent was there to be hit, DLH would have looked A LOT better.

 

Oscar had an hall of fame corner...its not Manny's fault they didnt prepare his weight the way you wanted them to. Maybe they thought he be better being light gaining some speed. Oscar said himself during training he felt better at 147, faster and more agile...

If Manny took a few shots and made the fight look more competitive would you give him more credit? Seems like a foolish way to look at it.

 

How can you know anything is certain until its done? Didnt Pac just prove this to 18 out of 20 so called "experts"?

Before the fight it was frustrating listening to people saying how the fight should be stopped, cos they were CERTAIN Pac would get hurt badly and they feared for his health. After the fight its frustrating listening to people saying DLH was garbage...because their CERTAIN DLH would loose to just about every top 10 WW. Nothing is certain and you aint given credit for it until you prove it so!

 

its not like this is the first time manny has shocked the world, we should give him the credit. its not like an unknown fighter that did this. its the best fighter in the world. put it this way if marquez had done it, marquez would get credit for a boxing masterpeice.