More Laughable Klitschko "Opponent:" Tarver or Hopkins?

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  1. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ok, let me start here: I'm a HUGE fan of Bernard Hopkins and a very big fan of Antonio Tarver.

    That said, the search for a credible "opponent" for the Klitschkos has gone from desperation to farce.

    First, a few statistics:

    Wlad -------- 6' 06.00" ---- 81" ---- 245 ---- 35 years old
    Vitali -------- 6' 07.50" ---- 80" ---- 247 ---- 40 years old
    Haye -------- 6' 03.00" ---- 78" ---- 212 ---- 30 years old
    Adamek ----- 6' 01.50" ---- 75" ---- 215 ---- 34 years old
    Tarver ------ 6' 02.00" ---- 75" ---- 205 ---- 42 years old
    Hopkins ----- 6' 01.00" ---- 75" ---- 175 ---- 46 years old

    Ok, that should help to focus the discussion.

    Haye and Adamek are both younger, bigger and stronger than are Hopkins and Tarver. Now, are Haye and Adamek better than Hopkins and Tarver? No, definitely not better all-around fighters than Hopkins, certainly.

    And that's good, except for one overwhelming factor: Size Matters.

    Of all the fighters listed above, Haye is the youngest and the fastest. How much did his speed and movement help him against Wladimir Klitschko and Wlad's chin?

    Not much. Haye was dominated in the bout and reduced to making remarks about his bad toe after the fight.

    Is Tarver faster than Haye? No.

    Does Tarver hit harder than Haye? No.

    Is Tarver younger than Haye? No.

    Is Hopkins faster than Haye? No.

    Does Hopkins hit harder than Haye? No.

    Is Hopkins younger than Haye? No.

    Now, let's turn to Tomasz Adamek and his performance against Vitali Klitschko.

    Adamek is a former two-division world champion who is regarded as extremely durable and hard-hitting. He has destroyed well-regarded men who weighed 195 pounds or more several times. Coming into the Klitschko bout, Adamek had lost just once in 45 professional fights.

    Adamek himself admitted afterwards that his fight with Vitali Klitschko was over after Adamek got drilled by an overhand right in the second round.

    So this sturdy, once-beaten, hard-hitting fighter was essentially made into a punching bag for 10 brutal rounds by a 40-year-old Vitali Klitschko.

    Is Tarver tougher than Adamek? No (don't start with the "he's never been knocked out;" the guy got dropped by Eric Harding and Hopkins at 175 lbs).

    Does Tarver hit harder than Adamek? No.

    Is Tarver younger than Adamek? No.

    Is Hopkins tougher than Adamek (as a heavyweight)? No (just ask Pascal).

    Does Hopkins hit harder than Adamek? No.

    Is Hopkins younger than Adamek? No.

    The last two guys that come to my mind that fought the Klitschkos who had a 75" reach or less were Chris Byrd (74") and Herbie Hide (75"). Unless you think that Vitali is due for another rotator cuff injury, those references shouldn't be too soothing.

    Now, I don't think Hopkins has called out the Klitschkos. That's good. He needs to stick with someone more his own size, like Chad Dawson. Hopkins is like 2-4 sizes smaller, as a human being, than either Klitschko. You may be able to get away with that if the heavyweight doesn't have many skills or abilities and you're young, but any combination of Hopkins and Klitschko now is a colossal mismatch, to say the least.

    Could Tarver last a few rounds against Wlad, maybe? I guess so. There's no way Tarver could come in the shape he was for the Aguilera fight (221), though. He'd have to be more in the 205-210 range, max. If not, he would be a stationary target and Wlad would batter him at will, especially at Tarver's age.

    Look, if Tarver wants to get a payday and Wlad agrees, I'll watch it. For as long as it lasts. But I like Tarver and Hopkins; I don't want to see them brutally dispatched by younger, bigger men whom they shouldn't be fighting.

    There is someone or someones out there that can either challenge the Klitschkos now or soon will be able to do so, as the Klitschkos age.

    The name of that person or persons, however, is not Antonio Tarver nor Bernard Hopkins.
     
  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I didn't read all of that, but I'll add my input anyway. Wlad is fighting Mormeck next. I have absolutely no interest in seeing that. Mormeck is washed up. He was knocked out by Haye, and he's got no credntials. Now Wlad and his brother have cleaned out the division, so they have a right to fight whoever they want.

    However, if you asked me whether I'd rather see Wlad face Tarver or Mormeck, the answer is Tarver all day.Yeah, Tarver may get pummeled, but everyone gets pummeled by Wlad. At least Tarver has a name, and some talent. People will want to watch that fight. Who the hell wants to watch Wlad vs. Mormeck?
     
  3. Robney

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    I'm for Hopkins as being more laughable...

    But I also agree with statement 3
     
  4. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Both should stick with LHW and cruiser to get their grandpops paydays. No place for them at HW.
     
  5. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Make the poll options; Tarver, Hopkins, and Mormeck, and see who gets voted the most laughable.
     
  6. Boxing Fanatic

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    hopkins is the grandmaster of boxing. tarver is past it
     
  7. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I like Tarver a lot, and if he wants to get paid and thinks he can get out of a Wlad fight without too much damage, more power to him. I'll watch it, and it would have more appeal (at least to me) than a Mormeck fight.

    Except -- and this is the big catch, I think -- in France, which is probably why the fight is being made with Mormeck. It's like fighting Adamek in Poland. Cha-ching $$$.
     
  8. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Too late or I'd change it.

    Believe me, I'm with you on Mormeck. If Tarver were French, he'd probably already be signed. :lol:
     
  9. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think the only way to beat a guy like Wlad is with skill. Tarver has the skill to do it provided he comes in the ring in great shape. It's not about speed, it's about whether or not Tarver can get past the jab.

    Tarver has enough patience to counterpunch Wlad, but do I see him being able to beat Wlad? It depends on how good his chin is. If Tarver has a chin as good as it seems to be (I've never seen anyone hurt him), then he can actually beat Wlad on paper. If he does not have a good chin, he will get jabbed and possibly knocked out in the later rounds.
     
  10. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd also like to see Wlad take on James Toney if James Toney actually were an active fighter.
     
  11. millertime1367

    millertime1367 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'd rather see Tarver vs. Toney
     
  12. millertime1367

    millertime1367 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    at least the guy looks to be in shape...
     
  13. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Toney were younger and had taken the time to properly get his frame up to around 205-210, that could have been an awesome fight.

    HUGE, HUGE Toney fan here.
     
  14. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I can't hate on him for that. Like I said, he can fight whoever he wants. He's already beaten everyone. So if he wants a big payday in France, more power to him.
     
  15. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good

    The Klitschkos seem to be doing the whole European Tour thing right now. It makes sense, from an economic and exposure perspective.

    If Tarver can get a shot, I'll be happy for him! :thumbsup