More/less deserving contender: Graziano or Hearns?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have criticized Zale defending against Graziano in several threads, but have to admit that a not too dissimilar criticism probably can be leveled at Hagler's defense against Hearns, even though the circumstances weren't identical (as they almost never are).

    But I still think that this comparison is an interesting food for thought. So, what say you?
     
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    The problem is Hearns was great v Hagler, I don`t get what you`re suggesting, Hearns was one of the top P4P fighters at the time and had knocked out Duran a year before at light middle, two years before that outpointed Benitez, This was the fight everyone wanted to see, who else was Hagler going to fight? At that time Hearns would have beaten any other middle in the world. Hearns would hjave beaten Graziano also.
     
  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Neither Graziano nor Hearns had done anything at MW. That's a pretty clear parallell.
     
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  4. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hearns fought everybody .. I see nothing wrong with Hagler's defense vs Tommy and the whole world wanted to see it. Even though Hearns hadn't done anything at MW, I think the fight was more important for Hagler than it was for Hearns. Hagler needed that fight to put the cherry on top of his career. If he losses that fight and with the loss to SRL.. Then we are talking about a different Marvin now imo… It probably was his best win looking back
     
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  5. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Hearns was a very dangerous fighter and what made the match up so marketable was that Hearns destroyed Duran while Hagler under performed against Roberto .. combined with the general dislike the fighter ha for each other at the time ..
     
  6. mcvey

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    I think its a pretty tenuous comparison. Hearns was the number one contender.
    Graziano was number 4 ,Zale by passed Holman Williams 1. ,Charley Burley 2., and Jake LaMotta3. to fight defend against Graziano.
    I realise he went for the $$$, but they were more deserving of a shot and so was Hearns.
     
  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Those are Ring ratings, though, and nothing official. I'm a bit skeptical to both sets of rating actually. How can you be nr 1 ranked at MW without ever beating a MW of note?

    On the other hand, Hearns had done the better work and at a closer weight to 160. Graziano's main wins were over Servo and Cochrane, the former and the current WW champion, but both also were back after a 3-4 years of inactivity because of the war. Hearns, on the other hand, came off a devastating victory over Duran, who had beaten Moore and given Hagler his best challenge. Hagler had also gone through many of the top contenders of previous years, so there was a bit of a vacuum in the division. In 1946, on the other hand, the division was full of veterans who had not yet received a shot due to the title being frozen.
     
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  8. mark ant

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    The world had to see Hearns v Hagler!
     
  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Tommy knocked out Duran and Hagler couldn`t before Tommy and Marvin met.
     
  10. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    For the sake of this argument the country/world was eagerly expectant of Hagler Hearns, and I don’t remember anyone at the time (having lived through it) upset that they were fighting or clamoring for Hagler to fight someone else (more deserving?) but I could be wrong.

    I didn’t live through the zale Graziano era, so I don’t know how these factors equate. There are 3 guys listed above who could be seen as more deserving of a shot at Zale’s title. How was this recieved by the boxing world and/or fans. It has a historic reputation but how was it perceived at the time? Was he seen as ducking or taking a lighter challenge? Or was the world excited about this during the era?
     
  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can't really say just how anticipated Zale-Graciano was, but I'm pretty sure Edward Morbious would tell you that it was just as anticipated.
     
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  12. Bokaj

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    Some will say the same for Zale-Graziano. Are they wrong?
     
  13. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What might you propose? That Hearns should have had to face Shuler or Kinchen prior to Hagler to earn a shot while Hagler should have faced Mugabi prior to facing the winner of the potential Hearns fight? Or something else as a feasible alternative?
     
  14. Bokaj

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    How exactly was that an answer to my post?
     
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  15. Bokaj

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    This wasn't really a thread to rag on either Hagler or Zale, just to see what posters had to say about the similarities/differences between Hagler-Hearns and Zale-Graziano.