More pop Ali or Holmes

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  1. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Dont know why I thought of this, I guess cause their styles were very similar

    Both men could wear you down and stop you

    Neither had famous one punch KO's that would bt KO of the year

    They had great jabs

    But who had more power
     
  2. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali was quicker, but Larry was the harder puncher.
     
  3. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Very similar styles between Holmes and Ali... Ali was faster and quicker, but Holmes had more pop in his punches...
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  4. the version of ali who fought williams,terrel,liston...had great pop
    i think that the hitting power of a peak ali is underrated , this ali was very fast, and speed is = hitting power.
     
  5. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Ali's power varied more. Sometimes his punch was weaker than Holmes ever hit, sometimes it was harder than Holmes ever hit.

    I think Ali suffered even more from bad hands, and his style often just threw fast slapping flurries.
     
  6. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Depends how legit the Liston II knockout is ;)
     
  7. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well Earnie Shavers said that Ali's jab at least was nothing compared to Larry's - he said Ali flicked with the jab but Larry really rammed it out - he said Larry's jab was like an average fighters right hand
     
  8. shavers faced a pathetic version of ali, very slow, and he faced prime holmes...
    the hitting power of ali was = speed. and he was not fast in 1977.
     
  9. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would say about the same...Holmes had a stronger jab, Ali the quicker jab...both had decent right hands but Ali had a better left hook
     
  10. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I´d go with Holmes. It´s more likely that he would stun you with one punch than Ali IMO. Ali was more likely to cut you though. Something often overlooked.
     
  11. lefthook31

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    The speed and snap of Ali in my opinion.
     
  12. mister

    mister Active Member Full Member

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    holmes had more pop when holmes jab hit you you could feel it right through the tv screen:yep:think
     
  13. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holmes had a fine one punch knockout of Evangelista, flattened Weaver with a single right uppercut, and pounded Ocasio into the ground with the same jab Shavers got subjected to. But for me, the kicker came in the midst of his second career, when a single fourth round right hand to the body rippled completely though the torso of Paul Poirier from left to right (an effect which can be seen on the footage), separating his rib cartilage, resulting in a delayed (by ten seconds!) knockdown and leading to a corner retirement. Poirier, who had previously been stopped by Alex Stewart and Tony Tucker, said that body shot from Larry was the hardest single punch he was ever hit by. Ali never stopped anybody as the direct result of a body shot the way Holmes did Poirier.

    In live speed, you can hear the impact of that right at :49 of the following clip, with 1:23 left to go in round four. Slow motion replay of that cartilage separating punch from a better angle follows at 2:45:

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    Big powerful heavyweights like Bugner, Broad and Bonecrusher were defeated by Marvis Frazier. What Tyson did to him in 1986 might have been expected, but the way Holmes blew him out in 1983 is more surprising. Larry also squashed a peaking Leon Spinks, coming off the best knockout win of his career over the streaking Mercado. Leon legitimately earned this shot, and many predicted he'd regain the title in an upset decision.

    Foreman and Bonavena were probably Ali's most impressive displays of power, honorable mention being given to the right hand he stunned Frazier with in round two of their middle bout. But he never stopped an opponent on the strength of body shots alone. (Most of Muhammad's rare body work came against Blue Lewis, then Big Cat, then Bugner, then Terrell, tall stand up boxers he could get under with little risk of exposing his head to counters.)
     
  14. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Even at age 51 Larry showed he could still throw a hard straight right:

    KO punch lands at 1:45

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  15. Il Duce

    Il Duce Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very interesting question,,,,,
    Ali is quicker with the jab.
    Larry's had more force.

    Ali's left jab could cut you, as it was a snap-slash type.
    Larry tried to drive the jab into the face.

    Ali would always target the eyes.
    Larry's aim, was always dead straight.