More Punching Power : Marciano or Tyson.

The point is, bigger fighters are on average more durable and harder to knock out. Tyson knocked out bigger fighters than Marciano and in most cases in more spectacular fashion than Marciano therefore Tyson hits harder.:good

 

Define "spectacular" here. I don't recall Tyson ever knocking a world-class fighter out like a light the way Marciano did to Walcott, or breaking their front teeth out, like he did to Layne(who he also knocked unconscious). I think those are certainly genuine indicators of incredible punching power, much moreso than, say, having a guy stumble around a lot after you knock him down. Tyson highlight reels may often look more "spectacular" than Marciano highlight reels, but again, this is largely because all of Tyson's 58 professional fights are on film, including all the ones against journeymen and club fighters, while less than a dozen of Marciano's are, and those are all against world-ranked opposition. Marciano would probably seem much more powerful and dangerous than he does now if we had all the films of him winning 30 and 60 second knockouts in his early career like we do of Tyson; for example, back in Providence in 1948, he had a run of five consecutive first-round knockouts in less than a month, during which he knocked out a 254-pound journeyman a minute into the first round, then knocked a guy out in 36 seconds and left him unconscious for 10 minutes. He had at least seven knockouts in the first half of the first round. If all of these fights were available on video and we could see Marciano absolutely ripping through these journeymen like tissue paper like we can with Tyson, do you not think it would effect our perception of him as a puncher?

 

I'm not talking about journeyman. I'm talking about the world class opponents. Like I said Tyson knocked out bigger fighters, and more spectacularly. That's why IMO Tyson hit harder.:good

 

got to say Tyson

 

Again, how do you define "spectacularly"? Marciano knocked a world champion out colder than a doorknob with a single shot and left him looking like he was dead. He knocked a top five contender out cold with single shot that sheered his front teeth off. What did Tyson do that was more spectacular than that? Marciano had a higher knockout average and a much higher one against elite opponents, by the way. The "knocking out bigger opponents" thing is the only pro-Tyson argument being forwarded here that really stands up to scrutiny, but even with that, bigger men are certainly not always more durable, and although he didn't fight many, Marciano absolutely annihilated all the big men he fought.

 

I do believe that Mike Tyson would have knocked out Joe Walcott much faster and in more impressive fashion than Marciano. I really wouldn't put Walcott into this discussion except in saying that the right hand landed on him was probably just as hard more or less than the right hand Tyson landed on Botha. Both had similar power IMO but Marciano was the greater fighter and Tyson the greater puncher.

 

You know, Marciano Frazier, Clay thinks because Tyson´s opponents were bigger, that´s automatically a reason that he hit harder, that sounds very logical...

 

Could you provide actual evidence that "bigger fighters are on average
more durable and harder to knock out."
I will provide some examples for you to deal with:
1. Was Fred Fulton more durable than Billy Miske or Tommy Gibbons?
2. Was Jess Willard more durable than Gene Tunney?
3. Was Primo Carnera more durable than Paulino Uzcudun?
4. Was Buddy Baer more durable than Arturo Godoy?
6. Was Bob Baker more durable than Rocky Marciano?
7. Was Buster Mathis more durable than George Chuvalo?
8. Was Gerry Cooney more durable than Jerry Quarry?
9. Is Wladimir Klitschko more durable than James Toney?
Can you provide evidence that "on average" bigger fighters are more
durable?

 

Marciano knocked Walcott out in the first round.

 

Smart ass. :yep

 

I pretty sure tiny Ruby Robert hit harder than Marciano and Tyson. Did they ever killed 1 person in the ring?? Nope. Fitz has killed 3 people.

 

Marciano put Carmine Vingo into a coma with 1 punch. Vingo almost died from that.

 

marciano hits harder cuz he's of european descent

 

The broken English in most of these posts is ****ing hilarious. Really laughed at the arguing

Tyson had more power.

 

Not even close.

Who had more power, Ketchel or Marciano ?