More Punching Power : Marciano or Tyson.

Yes, I understand your broken English, but it doesn´t deflect the virtuality, that the contents is totally false and stupid (sorry, here it´s not a matter of view, it´s common sense)...


btw, are you the brother of C.M. Clay II?

 

Listen bodybilder :yep If you cant argue about boxing, thats not the reason to laught at my English :yep The only reason to laught is your arguments

 

What a stupid counter, I didn´t laugh about your English because my English isn´t much better, I´m a non English-speaking person,too (mother tongue), I can argue about boxing, but it seems to be you can´t, you laugh about Marciano that he KO´ed only LHW´s, but you come with an example like Spinks for Tyson, can you see now your double standard or not?

 

I came with Botha, Berbick, Tubbs etc. Spinks is a goog example that a frame and mass are important. And you told me that Spinks not proved at HW while you itself come with Walcott etc who much more not proved above cruiserweight limit. :rofl

 

Walcott fought the best HW´s in his era, big, heavy and strong HW´s like Louis, Shkor, Ten Hoff, Baksi, etc. or great boxers with a great technique like Charles, Maxim, Bivins, hard punchers like Gomez, Ray, Layne, etc., and you come with mediocre HW´s like Tubbs and Botha?

 

Yes losses to fading Louis represents best achievements of Walcott at HW.
Ten Hoff :rofl german bum who even coudnt defend EBU belt :rofl
Shkor - who is it? A man with a number of PTS and KO losses who deserves two title shots for New England Heavyweight Title :rofl :rofl
Baksi - :rofl :rofl Yeah a real HW who regularly lost to guys with 80-85 kg.
etc :hey

:rofl I see Bivins in the ring with mediocre Ruddock :rofl Or Charles with mediocre Frank Bruno. :rofl In reality Bivins never even produce a sound about bout vs likes of Ruddock. We all saw how old fat mummy landed one punch on nearly 100 kg former great LHW but ordinary HW.

 

Luigi is being pwned again by more knowledgeable people.

 

Are all your posts so packed with incisive analysis.

 

If you think that fighters like Botha Berbick and Tubbs are better than guys like Walcott, Charles and Bivins then you must acept that you are verry much in the minority and the onus is on you to justify it.

I am not saying that your views are necisarily worng but you will have to come up with something better than the fact that they were bigger.

There are reson's why Walcott and Charles are in the hall of fame while Botha and Tubbs would be lucky to get invites to the bufet at the annual awards.

 

I respect you opinion but I have my own head

Why? Discussion concerned punching power of MT and RM. So we must note that mostly they KOd guys of different weight classes. Tyson - HW, Marciano - LHW or weak\old HW. We all know how guys from lower weight classes get problems at higher divisions. Altough exist some oposite examples, majority of boxers coudnt KOd more big guys when come to higher weights. There is a huge number of examples. So frame and mass - is a key facts in our discussion.

 

And how that related to fact that Marciano KOd small guys while Tyson KOd big guys?
ps and McCall would be lucky to get invite, but it is HUGE achievements to KO him. That is what I mean.

 

Perhaps I misunderstood you.

I thought you were saying that these guys were better wins.

 

That is true. But boxers know their limits and only exceptional small boxers like Jones Jr, Moorer, Spinks or Toney becoming a HW at modern era. But fought without success against true HW puncher-kings likes of MT, LL. These guys know their limits. And there is reason why modern succsefull LHW and CW sacrifice their speed to power and mass Indeed if you look at Tyson bouts than you easily deduce that light guys are deadmans versus Mike, while some big guys with no speed could stay against Mike.

Yeah, but I think that there are two reasons:
1. Thats HWs were very-very mediocre
2. Marciano had unic but fairly bad footwork, so he had problems with small but fast guys. Additionally Roccky coudnt immobilize tricky opponents by bodypunches such as bodypunching masters Joe Louis and Mike Tyson. IMO.

 

Ok.
I argued about the question of topic: Who has more punching power Marciano or Tyson?