More Punching Power : Marciano or Tyson.

My take is that Tyson certain could be viewed as the hardest puncher
of all time. He is certainly in the top five. His knockouts of Holmes
and Spinks are as impressive a pair of knockouts as anyone has--
neither was ever knocked out by anyone else. But Louis knocked out
some very slick men, some very tough men, and some very big men.
Marciano knocked out every man who was ever ranked that he fought.
And what about Foreman? And Liston? Dempsey slaughtered some big
guys. A case could be made for any of them.
As for Baer, I said he might have had the best chin in the world at the
time, not of all times, and I was thinking of the reels of KO highlights
in which Tyson is bombing out someone like Sammy Scaaf.

Bottom line--you have an excellent point that while Tyson bombed out
some tomato-cans, his top knockouts compare to anyone.

 

Prove it you ****ing liar. You wanna charge me because of lying, than prove it with facts, not with your great passwords. I wouldn´t call Carnera great (legacy-wise), because he wasn´t. Only fighters in my Top20 I call great, and he isn´t. LaStarza is the same, I said he was a defensive wizard, but you contort the words again, but don´t worry, I´m habitual that you make stuff like that...

 

Did you ever say Carnera was a great fighter, Luigi ?

 

He was a great fighter in his era, right. But legacy-wise, when we talk about HW history (of all times) he can´t be great, like I wrote only fighters in my Top20 I call great, he isn´t, so he´s automatically great. I´m sure that I never write great in that contiguity, but I could be wrong of course. If so, I clarified it now.

 

Yeah, that's fair. I think I remember you calling Carnera "a great fighter" which makes some sense.
He was one of the best heavyweights in his time, and he always put up a fight, got off the floor against Baer and Louis, won a lot of fights. He had as much courage as any fighter ever, IMO.

But, yes, I do not think you ever said he was one of the all-time great heavyweights. I agree, he isn't.

 

Exactly, it could be that in a discussion some things quickly are contorted, especially with a poster like Clay. I´m not sure what I wrote about Carnera exactly, but my opinion is like yours, one of the best fighters in his era (who wasn´t bad), but he wasn´t one of the greatest HW´s ever of course...

 

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I think people are mixing up raw power with other factors such as speed, timing, snap, and accuracy/placement. In terms of raw power, Marciano has more power. He was knocking guys cold with 1 punch, even when he was losing. Marciano had mainly raw power and little snap, but that raw power would KO you with 1 punch. IMO there are 3 types of power.

1) Raw Power

The raw power that would knock you cold with 1 shot in a flash. Marciano, Shavers, and Cooney are good examples of this type of power.

2) Clubbing Power

Clubbing power is what Foreman had. A lot of power, and tremendous force, but most people would get up 3-4 times before just not getting up or the ref stopped it. These kind of guys, just like the raw power, rate very high on the PSI scales, just they have trouble keeping guys down.

3) Rounded Puncher

A rounded puncher is a guy who has a mix of things to get his KO's, but mainly TKO's. Tyson had this. A lot of snap and speed, which helps keep guys down, but neither of these are power. He had some raw power, but not enough to keep very many people down with 1 punch. He had great accuracy and timing too, which is another factor that will get his KO's/TKO's. You'll notice that with most of Tyson's KO's, the people were still conscious, just on ***** street, big time. Tyson hit Larry with some of his best shots and Larry didn't go down (until the 4th round), but Larry remained concious the whole fight, then Cortez stopped it after the 3rd knockdown. Afterward, Larry said that Cooney and Shavers hit harder. Most guys say theve never been hit harder than Tyson, because they haven't fought anyone with massive raw power. Another example, Tyson's fight with Michael Spinks. Again, Tyson landed his best uppercut, possibly he ever threw, and it landed flush on Spinks's face, Spinks was down for the count, but he was only on ***** street...big time, not out cold.

 

Bill, you do not understand the game That was not the best uppercut or something else. That was sweet science. I can decrypt it for you :good
Spinks has perfect defense with some methods of pikabow style. His head was perfectly defended and to stop Michael one must stop his legs and lowered his hands. As Qawi tried. Qawi landed a couple of good body shots and KD Michael, but Spinks was to big and quick for Qawi. At HW Holmes and Cooney have very big problems in landing on MS head. So what Tyson did? This stupid animal as someone see him? Tyson at first immobilize MS by perfect body shot and then quickly kill un-legged body No runs no decisions no epic battles. That bout was sweet and short. Just concentrated science and power. And never it was best or lucky punches of Tyson. Never Bill.

 

Larry was 3 years past it and 7 years older than Spinks. IMO Larry won the first fight by about a round, but the 2nd fight Larry was flat out robbed. The Spinks Tyson fought was past his prime, and his knee wasn't as good as it used to be. Michael Spinks was terrifyed of Tyson. He looked like he was going to **** him self when he entered the ring. Also name 5 uppercuts that Tyson landed cleanly on someone's face that were better than the one he landed on Spinks's.

 

I'll have to use the search engine, so it'll take me a while. But once I find it I'll post it here for everyone to see what a contemptible fraud you are!

 

Damn! They reset the forums, so those posts aren't here anymore. But they were there. You got off lucky this time. So I guess you'll just keep saying that you never said those things, when you probably know you said them.:roll:

 

Butterbean weighs over 300lbs and is only 6', he must hit harder than both of them using your logic. Tyson hit extremely hard yes, but it was most of the other things that got his KO's. It was all power for Marciano. If Tyson trained as hard as Marciano and didn't weight lift, he would probably weigh around the same as Marciano.

 

Butterbean is 300lbs of fat! Tyson is 220lbs of muscle. Big difference. Also prime Tyson didn't lift weights. He trained in the old school style.