Moses Itauma vs. Filip Hrgović & Sam Noakes vs. Denys Berinchyk + Nelson Hysa vs. Thomas Narmo RBR.

I mean man, youre just objectively wrong on this lol.

You can say Moses brings nothing to the sport, but the metrics speak for themselves. Hes clearly popular (relative to Filip), he clearly puts on exciting performances, and he clearly draws new energy to the sport (relative to Filip).

I dont know how we are arguing over objective data here lol.

You can insult the people he draws to the sport, but this is how boxing has always functioned, it relies on its stars to bring in young or new fans, who come for the hype and stay for the sport. Hype has always fueled boxing.

youre arguing that an undefeated, more exciting more dynamic ko puncher whose youth, style and mystique would have objectively brought more to the sport than the stylistically uninsteresting and generally unpopular Filip.

You seem to care a lot about how a fighter is on the mic. Most people dont care about that if the fighter isnt like that inside the ring, which Moses isnt. Plenty of fighters have been good for the sport while not being good on a mic.

I havent been paying attention so I dont know what youre view on them was before this conversation but its clear to me now youre massively anti moses, which makes you massively biased in this conversation. Ive known you long enough to know when you get this biased youre not looking at things objectively. And i dont care about this conversation enough to keep going with it lol.

If you think the 34 year old boring Filip that has next to no fan following and brings literally nothing to the sport is better than a 21 year old dynamic champion who is actively attracting energy to the sport, idk what else to tell you.

Agree to disagree lol.

As for if Filip will lose again soon or not, well we can bump this conversation after his next 3 fights against top 4 ring rated fighters have happened and see who turns out right. If he still has his title in two years and having faced a couple top guys Ill come eat my crow.

 

Youre losing track of what were discussing here.

The discussion isnt if Moses is genuinely special or not. The discussion wasnt if he was all hype or not. Thats completely irrelevant and besides the point.

The discussion is, was it better for boxing for him to have been good enough to beat Filip, and continue on gaining hype, popularity, and setting up some big matches down the stretch, and continue putting on exciting matchups while continuing to garner attention for boxing.
or was it better for boxing that Filip won.

The answer is quite obvious.

I can tell you the one with emotions here is not me man lol, I dont give a damn about this subject.. I prefer Moses to Filip but Im hardly a big Moses fan.

You seem like the emotional one here, you are clearly objectively biased here (which I think youd admit), youre arguing against objective data, your misreading of me (thinking im emotional when im not at all, and comparing this to the usyk match for me which they are night and day to me) and your misfollowing what were discussing and the irrelevancy of Moses actual ability, has me wondering whats going on in this discussion lol.

its ok, its not that big a deal.

You think Filip winning is better for the sport of boxing than Moses staying undefeated and going on to bigger things.

We agree to disagree lol.

 

I agree.

I think I went to far earlier in assuming he can go 12 even if he adjusts his style. He was very badly gassed for it only being round 9.

If it was the 11th or 12th and he gasses like that, its easy to say some minor adjustments can get him to the end, endurance wise.

Being completely spent in the 9th round, without even entering the championship rounds, its not a given that he can adjust for that.