Mosley - Cotto, underrated scrap?

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  1. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just re-watched the fight. Was surprised with just how physical the fight really was. Both guys punched the **** out of each other. Both guys landed 250 odd punches with 150 odd puncher powers throughout the fight, many of which totally flush fully leveraged shots.

    Cotto was very impressive, particularly his timing throughout the fight. What is surprising watching the fight is just how well Cotto took Mosley's shots. Mosley was teeing off with the right hand around the guard to the temple area throughout the fight and Cotto took them very well.

    The big difference (which is frustrating as a Cotto fan) between this performance the Clottey performance is the ticker Cotto showed. Cotto has the offensive tools to earn the respect of almost anyone, but he doesn't consistently apply them. Against Mosley when Cotto got hit, and hit hard, instead of spiraling into a period of near-running and boxing ineffectively (completely negating his power) he would return fire with fully leveraged power punches from a solid stance. In contrast with the Clottey fight, Cotto would get on the back foot far too frequently, instead of earning Clottey's respect in the centre of the ring (which he showed he definitely could do). Obviously the cut is a big factor in this, and then there is the enigma of the Margarito fight.

    Although Cotto got on his bicycle in the final round of the Mosley fight, it wasn't a result of dire conditions, more overconfidence. He actually hammered Mosley with some of his of best shots in the 11th round and although generally retreating, he made it count when he decided to throw.

    Awesome fight, consider giving it a re-run if you haven't seen it in a while. Impressive performance from Cotto in a very close scrap, despite claims that it was an offnight for Mosley in contrast with his performance against Margarito, i think it was more so just the fact that Cotto's timing gave Mosley hell. Close fight though, could have easily gone to Mosley by a round, or be given a draw.
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  2. TonyD407

    TonyD407 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't worry shane will beat him next time

    fair play to cotto he was on form that night but
    shanes fittness and legs wernt there for some reason
    and his corner didn't have a clue what to tell him
    poor shane was in there by himself :deal :twisted:
     
  3. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Was a very good fight. Very close and competitive. I need to watch it again. Probably Cotto's best performance, and Shane really wasn't on form.
     
  4. TonyD407

    TonyD407 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Look at the MASSIVE shots cotto took in that fight

    and people think pacquiao is gonna knock cotto out :bart
     
  5. aceshigh

    aceshigh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That was pre divorce Shane.

    Now he is angry...............VERY..................ANGRY!!!!


    I used to be Rich *****!!!
     
  6. MasterFlo

    MasterFlo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very good fight, Cotto's chin was so improved from just seven pounds. I couldn't believe he took some of those shots and didn't even have his legs shaken. I think with Nazim Shane wins that fight.
     
  7. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So was Miguel. :yep

    But i see your point, the advice from the corner was poor, and Mosley appeared flustered and a bit puzzled by Cotto at times, he could have done with some confident advice and assurance from his corner.

    You could make a case for Mosley in the first fight, so it certainly isn't difficult to see him winning in a rematch. I just don't necessarily agree with people in some cases justifying this on the grounds that Mosley "finished strong". Mosley was doing well in rounds 2,3 and 4. Round 11 was one of Cotto's best rounds, every time Mosley got in range of him Cotto landed absolutely cracking power shots and definitely earned Mosley's respect. One of the best rounds of Cotto's career, retreating yet standing his ground when required, and really trusting in his own power and offensive ability.

    Mosley took a lot of punishment in the fight and it isn't out of the question that the punishment made him look sluggish at times, rather than the fact that he trained any differently or less effectively than usual, as he is a guy with a great work ethic.
     
  8. daz52

    daz52 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not trying to take anything from Cotto at all but i agree with others, Shane didnt fight the best fight and looked a little off. But Cotto was definitely impressive in that fight. Watch for his jab and all round timing. Very good fight all up by both and a well deserved win for Cotto. Close but clear.
     
  9. MasterFlo

    MasterFlo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ya I love Shane but I scored it 115-114 for Cotto, with an even round. The fact that Shane, the old fighter, was chasing Cotto, the younger fighter, at the end says alot about Mosley. Even after all the wars he's still got it, I could see him being broken down at some point just because of age but he looks unbreakable even at 37.
     
  10. Monstar

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    Shane LOOKED GREAT it's just that the better man won....his speed, power, chin, legs, stamina, heart and hunger were all there....the only differences btwn this fight and his other two were: Cotto's speed, jab, and boxing ability........neither Mayorga, or Plasterpunch had any of it, they're both just sluggers, and what Shanes proven time and time again is he cant be out slugged for 12 rouds straight, you just cant go toe to toe exchanging shots with the guy and win. he's too fast, too strong, and way too tough so he'll win every time. which is why i was one of the few who n knew he'd whoop Plasterpunch

    but on the other hand one other thing Shane has proven throughout his career as well is he can be outboxed and he can be outjabbed,...as was proven with his losses to both Forrest and Winky and even his 2nd win over Oscar.

    so anyone who thinks that Shane will get in the ring with Cotto, or someone like Floyd (i hate him too) or Williams and think he'll look just as devastating...well you're wrong
     
  11. Monstar

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    summary of the story: styles make fights. the man just cant be outbrawled but if you get an elite enough guy who can box, you'll find out that he he can be outboxed.....of course i'm not saying that Shane would lose to these guys cuzz he is the great Shane Mosley afterall, but what i am saying is there styles dont play into his favor so you gotta expect a tough fight, as you've seen in the past
     
  12. stiga

    stiga Well-Known Member Full Member

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    cotto jab win this fight
     
  13. threethirteen

    threethirteen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think that's unfair - up until the cut he was doing just that. Look how clearly he won the third, standing inside Clottey's reach and connecting beautifully. Heart doesn't mean standing and trading with a guy who's much bigger than you when you can't defend one side of yourself effectively.

    He boxed incredibly effectively off the back foot. He had Clottey chasing him, but he was coming off worse in the exchanges because he couldn't see the shots coming. His tactics were eminently sensible.
     
  14. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Some people here have said that Mosley didn't look his best in this one...and i guess it's true but to me that had more to do with Cotto's jab and timing than with Shane 'not having it' or some vague **** like that.

    All credit to Shane, he's one of my favourite fighters and i was rooting for him in the fight (scored it 116-113 Cotto at the time btw), but it's been shown before: a solid, educated jab unravels him.
     
  15. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good fight. had a bit of everything.