Mosley, PAC, Floyd to be #1 ATG?

Its not a bloody maths equation mate...Its arguable Pac hasnt beaten even a single ATG because its not a term that has universal a definition.

Some people are very picky with their use of it...other people like you seem to use it for every fighter they have heard of.
Its not as simple as just adding up the numbers and then basing your ranking on that..Stats play their role but boxrec cant tell you everything.

You are still struggling with the concept of context...For instance Manny fought in general in weaker divisions in a weaker era then ALL of the fighters who have a case for no1. Being a champion now is not the same as being a champion when most of those guys were around, more titles, more divisions and less overall popularity of the sport shrink the talent pool. Fighting less against a smaller range of fighters is the norm now..if Manny was fighting Marquez back in the day, the public would have been screaming for a 4-5 fight series.
Then Manny could have potentially shown his dominance instead of basically having at best a drawn series over him.

Therefore he is already at a disadvantage in these rankings because certain regressions in the sport mean that achievements now are not directly comparable.

Thats why you have to understand the point of historical context.

Trust me man I was totally in your boat when I was a new fan...I couldnt understand why oldtimers were so revered and I was of the opinion that if all other sports have gotten better then why not boxing. But its not as simple as that, its not black and white. I guess its just something you learn along the way.

 

Wow.:huh

 

Ok, so imagine a 5'2" 147 pound man beating the **** out of John Ruiz, or did you forget what you were arguing about?

 

none of them have given HALF of what the classic generation fighters have given. boxers nowadays have it much easier. they only have to fight once a year to put food on the table :deal

 

Number 1 ATG is a giant and impossible hurdle to cross for any of those fighters.

But top 10 would probably be attainable and the closest one would be Pac.

History would be the judge but hsitory would look at Pac as a 106 pounder who made giant leaps (not mine). History has a way of sugarcoating past achievements and downgrading inadequacies.

Who would have thought in the 80's that Duran would be higher than SRL in ATG ranking today? Anybody who would have entertained that idea would be labelled stupid.

 

dosent matter what anybody does MJ will always be hailed as greater.
Its like Nas and Jayz, No matter what Jayz do the public will always say nas is better. No ammount of money he cakes up will change it.

Same with Jordan. Its like hes the god of the game. No matter what Mayweather Pac Mosley all these guys dont Matter what they do the public wont allow them to say there greater then Ali.

Kobe and Brawn can keep going but they wont be labeled better then Jordan. Even tho they just might be.

 

Number 1 is like God of the Game how you gone say you better then God? lol

 

That may change when they have been retired for about 30 years, and people miss their presence in the sport, like Ali.

 

ONLY TIME WILL but Im just thinking bout Lenard Duran Hearn Haggler Tyson Holmes man there just memories

 

I think if Pac beats Clottey, Mosley, Mayweather and Paul Williams then his resume would be greater than that of Durans. I cant see him ever being able to crack top four though. Not unless he wins the middleweight title or something like that ( sounds ridiculous but anything is possible)

 

pac
clean out 140 decisively
ko clottey
ko mayweather
ko mosley
win another weight division title
ko williams
ko martinez

ko a few dozen others then should be able to get around the top 3 atg

 

assuming he wins against clottey, pac would also have to beat floyd, mosley, williams, get good wins in the 140 division (e.g., against Bradley, Alexander, Valero), and make some noise in the JMW division by beating one or two titleholders in this division (e.g., Martinez, Cintron, Foreman). that would be a total of 8-10 fights and dominating all these fights before anyone can make a good case of him being #1 ATG.

Floyd on the other hand will need to also do all of the above and in addition make some noise in the MW division (e.g., Pavlik) and perhaps SMW.

 

Mosley and Mayweather are not Duran and Hearns, but if Pac beat both it would be a modern day equivelent of Leonard beating Duran and Hearns. If Manny did that, he's top 5 in my book. If he beats a solid 154lbs champ like Foreman, if he beats Cotto, or Bradley at 140lbs after his wins over Floyd and Shane, why not have him with the Robinsons and Durans? I love my oldies, but if Pac could beat either one that is quite the accomplishment.

To be honest, there is already talent rising up at 147 who would be eager in the not so distant future to fight Pac like Berto and Alvarez. Even though I'd pick Pac to beat both, it would be interesting to watch, like a passing of the torch and I think either Berto or Alvarez will put up a fight.