Most and LEast Physically Demanding Styles

Most:

1. Mike Tyson's Cus De'mato style - also Patterson
2. Ingle's gym, switch hitting style

1. The first relies on none stop movement and punching with the utmost power in combination. The amount of physical conditioning to pull it off is very very difficult

2. Rely's on a defence built solely on relexes and an offense based on counter punching. Once the reflex's are gone, the style can be taken apart (EXCEPTION JONNY NELSON? Although he used other abilities)

Least:

James Toney shoulder roll

1. Toney doesn't even seem to train to pull this 1 off. Very relaxed, slips, counters are very relaxed without the punch taking much out of him.

Others???

 

I think a Rocky Marciano or Joe Fraizer's style is more demanded physically than Mike Tyson.

 

I've imitaded both and I'd disagree because of the following:

1. Throwing punches with the combined speed and power Tyson threw them takes up more energy than the slower slugs that Frazier/Marciano threw. You get tired quicker when punching with speed and power
2. Constantly moving your head at speed the way a prime tyson did is very energy sapping too.

Those are the main difference. Pressure fighters as a whole age fast because you need to have much more stamina than your opponent, when you lose the stamina you can't do the same thing anymore.

Short fighters too need to perform at a much higher level than taller fighters to win. A tall fighter can just box of the backfoot and pepper the small man away at distance using up little energy. The short fighter has to bob and weave inside and throw intense combinations when there, which is much much harder

 

But you get beat on more than Tyson did, and that imo takes out more enegry than bobing and weaving.

 

Tyson isnt a good example: he managed to half-assedly be a top heaveyweight well into his 30's on power alone- a better choice would be a short swarmer without much power. Ricky Hatton?

 

Tyson's fall was dramatic from his 80s form into his 90s. His 00s wins are reasonable but they would be nothing to a prime version. The way Lewis handled him 2002 showed how fall he had dropped from his prime

I would say Ricky Hatton is still prime, I've watched his whole career

 

Sorry the 'Ricky Hatton' should have been a new paragraph - I meant he is a better example of such a style.

 

It depends on the fighter. If your taking stamina, then a fighter who throws a lot of punches, can get low, and moves around a lot is a very demanding style.

It was Greb's style.

 

Tyson is a perfect example.

Even if he did'nt mentally implode and kept Rooney as his trainer he would still have gotten diminishing returns from his body at 28 at the latest.

Every great swarmer at HW is either retired or past his prime at 32 .

The style takes a lot out of your back.

 

Agree, it puts a lot of pressure on your back and once you lose that suppleness you're finished.

Of course many greats adapt their style and continue to be great.

 

:nono - for the reason I've given- his power made him one of the worlds best in his mid-30's, with poor training and questionable desire.

 

Jimmy Young never seemed to exert himself too much. His footwork was amazing, but it was made up largely of small educated steps rather than dancing around like Holmes or Ali.

Chris Eubank's style was all about a few good punches and a lot of nothing in between while he rested.

Ralph Rocchigiani's style orientated around saving up energy for when he unleashed that right hand. When he wasn't throwing that, he didn't seem to so much as sweat.

Jersey Joe Walcott had the kind of conservative style you have to develop to fight over 8 fights a year continiously.

I don't seem to remember Carlos Ortiz wasting any energy at all. It seemed like he was the kind of guy who thinks up efficient and less stressful ways of brushing his teeth.


As for demanding styles, I think one unusual example George Foreman in his prime had a ridiculously demanding style for someone of his stamina (bouncing, parrying and loading up on arm-punches) which of course was his downfall against Ali and Young. Against Young, in fact, he was getting tired at times just following Jimmy around the ring.

 

Yes Tyson retained his power which allowed him to still be a dangerous contender after his body went past its best Tyson was also in jail for much of the 90s.


In an alternate world where Tyson stays focused and retains Rooney and does not go go jail Tyson stays champ or in the top 2 until he is 28 after 28 his physical perfomance will dramatically plunge and he will be having severe back problems and his body will start to break down. Tysons punching power keeps him in the top 5 and may allow him to win a belt he will however be KO'D brutally by either Lewis Holyfield or Bowe as his physical deterioration continues at 31/32 Tyson is either retired or a useful trailhorse for younger fighters coming up.

28 is the MAXIMUM age that Tyson would have been able to operate at peak physical ability after 28 his body would have started to break down gradually his power would keep him dangerous for a few years beyond his physical best at 31/32 he would either be retired or no longer a serious threat.

A 5,10 HW with a style that relies on constant motion is never going to be able to fight effectivelly past 32 .

 

Most: pure swarmer

I am talking about the Marciano Frazier model rather than the Tyson Dempsey model.

Least: defensive counterpuncher not dependant on mobility

eg Moore, Hopkins Toney.

 

It's spinaaallll.