Most Bogus World Title - Aus Held

LOL... fair call.. but in the true spirit of Aust. ESB, I'll ignore the thread title/poll and divert into a more direct avenue of slander.

Back on subject momentarily for the sake of the lame arsed poll.. Bogus = 'regular title'

When a so called Governing body has no idea who its fkn champion is, well.... I guess that says it all.

 

Our legitimate world title winners of days gone by, and even those that got close but didn't quite manage to win one, must cringe at the absolute joke titles being 'won' today.

It's nothing more than a sick joke that the 'World Champion' title, which was obviously coined originally to mean the best boxer in the world, and therefore won in a bout against the previous best in the world, is now a 'step right this way there's a belt for everyone' affair.

Most of the titles Green & Mundine's have accumulated are a long way short of 'World Championships'. Probably the most legitimate (or least illigitimate) of an ordinary collection is Green's light heavy title, even though he beat a very ordinary reigning world champ in winning it.

Green can boast having beaten an ATG. Not something most others ever can (regardless of whether Roy was over the hill or not).

Neither Green nor Mundine have had legitimate claims to being the best in the world at any weight division thus far, and probably never will.

 

Totally agree with this. In this day and age of boxing the closest we can get to a universally recognised champion is the Ring Magazine Champion. It's not perfect but it is the best measuring stick boxing fans have imo.

 

fair go...this is just another mundog thread....

 

Lol, the level of opposition Mundine beat to win those titles has nothing to do with it. Both of Mundine's WBA super-middleweight titles ARE bogus titles. They should never have existed. They were Ottke's and Kessler's titles. You know, the two guys who kicked Mundine's ass before he won their titles. When both fighters were declared Super Champion their regular WBA belts went back into circulation. Ottke and Kessler were the WBA super champions when Mundine was fighting for a bull**** vacant WBA title. They are not legitimate World Titles, they are WBA fund raising belts.

Danny Green's belt on the other, although from a minor organisation, was a real title

 

I've just gone and put a belt on my pants. I'm now going to call myself a world champion aswell.

 

I know what you're saying. This Super Champion scheme the WBA has cooked up is sickening. I'm repulsed by the very thought of it. The WBA is an absolute joke and it's making a mockery of the sport in it's blatant attempt to 'create' more revenue off the back of fighters desperate to be called World Champion. One organisation having 3 champions in the same division, with the lesser champion able to claim he's holding the belt the great champions of the past once held..what the hell have they done?! As a boxing fan I honestly feel like I'm in a bad dream I can't wake up from, it's affected me that much.

 

True, but he still didn't beat the reigning belt holder. But thats how it is these days.

 

I don't see a problem in this at all

Lets take MW for example.....1000 pro fighters 4 major belts

That's 4 of 1000 guys that can become champ....most champs have 2 fights each year....1 good 1 average.....so most likely only 4 times a year could a belt change hands

In the case of MW you have Pavlik who has 2 belts and fights top 20 to 50 ranked fighters

Then you have Sturm in Germany who fights at home and nobody wants to go there.

End of the day not much action going on at MW in the last 15 months....is that good for boxing?

I would say no.

The regular titles for the major belts and the other organisations like the WBF and IBO help increase the opportunities to get the sport out to the market.

Boxing is a business and it needs to compete with loads of other sports

I see the value of how it was done in the old days...people valued the national title...commonwealth title was gold and top 10 fighters always fought the best....most of the time 7 to 10 times a year.

Now the internet and cable TV have come and boxing has adapted to embrace a wider audience

I don't know 1 guy on this site that thinks Mundine is the world champion in MW

Yes he has won world titles of the vacant type and the regular type and also the IBO title but we all know that is not the champion of the world for MW.

End of the day has Mundine hurt boxing...no...has these extra titles hurt boxing....no....should we only buy 1 ppv every 2 years if we like the MW division because that's the only real fight for the true world championship rating....**** no.

Boxing has evolved as a business and needs to compete with 50 other sports....you cant do that with 1 good fight every 2 years in the MW division

All these other regional titles and vacant belts create a mini market to keep the top 25 to 100 fighters earning a quid and increases the fan base of out sport....they also keep the rest training hard to one day get a shot

 

Oh my god, I don't even know where to begin.

Promise you'll never get involved with any of the alphabet boys.

 

The old system wont work anymore...lets face it...fighters dont fight 10 times a year anymore....1 v 2 hardly ever happens same with 3 v 4 and so on.

If 1 v 2 and 3 v 4 was on in evach division twice a year we would not need the other regional titles

Why have these fights not been made at MW last 2 years

Pavlik V Williams

Pavlik V Sturm

Mundine V Sturm

AA V Pavlik

AA V Sturm

The only good fight in the MW division in the last 2 years was Pav V Taylor....great I will hang out for another 2 years before another real MW championship fight atsch

 

Ashley... 4 champs at M/W????? WTF??

Try WBF interim & regular
Try WBA interim, regular & Super
Try WBC interim, regular & champ in recess
Try WBO interim & regular
Try WBU Champ
Try IBF Champ
Try IBA Champ
Try IBO Champ
Try IBU Champ
Try a few more than 4 possibilities..

You don't understand a thing about the 'black & white' days... there was not just one or two good PPV's per year FFS. Battling for a State title was nothing short of a career for many fighters, many of those same fighters are revered even today and National Champs of the past are nothing short of Legends of our game. Boxing does not need more belts to encourage PPV's as a bonus...

You've finally admitted that Mundine is NOT Mr.3Time, in fact, he's Mr.1Time as he's won recognision by only one Governing Body as their 'Champ'. Nothing more to it.

Eliminating 3/4 of the available 'World Titles' and allowing 2 Governing Bodies to dicatate terms may add a new level of interest... everyone wants to see a favourite reach the pinnacle to cap off a glorious career, having followed the same fighter through State, National and slowly towards World Honours..

Why is the so-called 'Super 6' Tourny so popular?? Simple, its just the same as veiwing the top 6 fighters from 'black and white' days thrash it out enroute to THE Title (albeit in quick fashion).. quite a rare spectacle in the modern game.

 

So by creating more belts your helping make up these matchups?

Riiiiiiight.

 

The big 4 belts Flamer

WBA, WBO, IBF, WBC

I heard all this yeaterday :blabla

The interim and regular belts help people get shots and build profiles

FFS....Arum to this day keeps saying who is Mundine that he should get a shot at Pavlik

Mundine is no world beater but hes had several WT shots and won several regular titles.....if these extra bets dont exist how the **** does Mundine get a shot at Pavlik?

Remember the RING has Mundine at 5 in SMW and 6 in MW

I can tell you why flamer because boxing is more business than sport :deal

Why is Pavlik fighting LM's and LH's?....money mate :deal

The black and white days are gone mate....well maybe not in your lounge room....I bet you still got the old telly from 40 years ago