Most Controversial Results and Your Opinion

Somne of those are ridiculous.

Leonard.
Dempsey´s own fault.
Good stoppage.
Castillo
No.
Lewis.

 

Johnson used a still photograph to support his claim of having taken a dive. A dozen years after his accidental death, the long lost film of Willard-Johnson came to light, exposing the truth, and the jig was up.

Where SRL and Hagler are concerned, Marv basically admitted before their match that if he couldn't knock Ray out, he didn't deserve to win. Holding up his fists, he proclaimed, "These are my judges. One is "K" and one is "O." After that audacious declaration, I think he had to stop Ray to secure a win.

Dempsey knew Tunney would beat the count, and tried to pull a fast one on Dave Barry. My beef with Barry is that he immediately began a count when Gene dropped Jack in the following round. His officiating was not equitable. Awarding Dempsey a knockout win on the basis of Tunney being down for more than ten seconds would have been a travesty in that situation. Anyhow, Jack could have had a third crack at Gene, and opted to retire instead.

 

1. Leonard

2. Tunney would have gotten up and won regardless.

3. I'm not going to second-guess the ref

4. Pass

5. No.

6. Lewis (is there a controversy about this)

Add on--I think Bonavena defeated Frazier in their first fight in 1966.

 

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Leonard
Tunney like Buster Douglas could have got up earlier if needed
Stoppage was ok, Like Leonard Benitez the ref is not a timekeeper
I guess you mean Castillo? Close for Floyd, very close
Doubtful
Lewis easily


Add Fenech not getting decision over Nelson in first fight

 

Now that one was scored on a rounds basis rather than a ten point must system, so those two second round knockdowns are only good for winning that round. Is it your opinion that Ringo should have been awarded more rounds than Joe? (I personally prefer the ten point method of judging a fight, but the rules in effect are just that. I believe Louis deserved to win the first Walcott fight on the rounds basis, although he clearly would have lost on the ten point system.)

 

I have seen the fight several times. It is my opinion that Bonavena wins at least five rounds which means he wins the fight on the supplemental points system due to the knockdowns.

If the fight were scored on a modern points system, Bonavena wins with a point or two to spare.

Just my take. Remember, as was it was a split decision with the decisive vote for Frazier 5-4-1. If that judge had scored it 5-5, Bonavena would have won on the supplemental points system.

 

Many of Toney's fights in general.
Many of Reggie Johnson's fights in general.
Hagler-Leonard indeed.
Tua-Ibeabuchi , Tua-Byrd
Frazier-Bonavena when Frazier was down twice and still won.
Puritty-Morrisson when Morrisson was down twice and still won.
Kalambay-McCallum 1 , and many Kalambay fights in general , what did he do to guarantee a win in that fight ?
make McCallum miss ? but McCallum still was the agressor and wasn't hurt himself.

I also think that since the referee in Pac-Cotto let Cotto continue to that point , he could have let him hear the final bell.

 

1. I gave it to Hagler by 1 round

2. Dempsey's fault - one of those things - but if not for the extra seconds Dempsey stops Tunney - nobody escapes Dempsey when they're that badly hurt

3. Chavez Taylor is iffy - probably wouldn't have stopped it personally but anyone can say that in hindsight - i suppose at the time you might think for his safety

4. Mayweather vs Corralles - didn't really see whole fight but Corrales looked pretty pissed about it so that says something

5. Did Jack Johnson take a dive - A BIG RESOUNDING YES - AND HE DID VS KETCHEL TOO FOR THAT MATTER ALTHOUGH BAFFLING AS TO WHY??

6. Holyfield Lewis 1 who won - Lennox Lewis won that one by about 5 rounds in my book

Honourable mention to Joe Louis-Jersey Joe Walcott I : Walcott won that one pretty clearly in my eyes - maybe approaching Lewis-Holy I for pure stinksville!

 

On Frazier vs Bonavena I

I thought Bonavena made the fight very close with the knockdowns but Frazier was in controll pretty much all of the way apart from a selct few moments.

 

I'm with GP. Frazier dictated most of the action after the early scares and was getting in the cleaner shots, I felt. I had him winning 6-4/7-3 or so.

 

The Chavez/Taylor one is interesting. What gets me is why Steele even saw the need to ask Taylor if he was alright. The rules may say this and that, but it seems almost conventional to assume that a fighter is ready to continue if he gets up at 5 or 6 and stands straight up in the corner, especially in a fight of that magnitude.

However, Steele did allow Taylor to get away with an extraordinary number of blatant low blows in that fight, which might undermine any accusations that he was in the pocket of Team Chavez.

 

I think Frazier deserved to win, but if Oscar had forced the fight more in the last couple of rounds it would have been different. A couple of extra rounds coupled with the two kds would have swung the fight around Oscar's way.

 

I could debate this all day, and this is the only post I am doing on this.

Taylor was definitly hurt in those dieing seconds, the ref should not factor in the time remaining in the round in his decision. He got up, but again looked hurt, he then did not answer the referees questions, so he stops it.

When you say he was up at 4 or 5 waiting for 8, he was up standing still, almost leanign on the ropes. It wasnt as though he was bouncing on his toes ready for more was it?

Yeh definitly, think I hadit about 7-3 so it could have been different, if you factor in the KD's