Most controversial results: Canelo vs GGG 1, Ward vs Kovalev 1, or Haney vs Lomachenko

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Most controversial results

  1. Canelo vs GGG 1

    110 vote(s)
  2. Ward vs Kovalev 1

    34 vote(s)
  3. Haney vs Lomachenko

    18 vote(s)
  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 1, 2012
    If you recall, I (along with you if I'm not mistaken) had GGG doing better (winning more rounds) in the rematch than in the first fight.

    Canelo coming forward in the rematch made it easier for GGG to land, so of course Canelo was outboxed more in the rematch than he was in the first fight. He was outboxed because he answered the cry of the fans urging him to make it more of a slugfest, Canelo threw caution to the wind, he answered GGG's call for a Mexican Style firefight (GGG however did not oblige). So Canelo was less elusive in the rematch, he stood right in front of GGG, he made a concerted effort to land power punches which the judges and fans alike appreciated. Canelo inflicted more punishment on GGG in the rematch, due to his sustained pressure. He took more punishment, and he inflicted more punishment.

    He fought that way because the public (mostly GGG fans) called on him to fight that way because he was too hard to hit clean in the first fight. As it relates to Loma vs Haney, Haney fought more aggressively against Loma than we're used to seeing out of him he made a concerted effort to load up on power shots rather than just pump the jab. He also attacked the body. A big problem for both Loma and GGG were body shots. Because head shots are often harder for judges to score than body shots.

    Canelo (in both of the first two fights) outlanded GGG to the body. Haney outlanded Loma to the body. The body punching was a big component to the results. Canelo won the rematch because he took the fight to GGG, busted him up, ate a lot of jabs in the process, but he landed more significant punches. The rematch was more greuling for both combatants. The first fight was fought at a higher level, due to the tactics employed, and was more revealing in my view. Because we saw how much Canelo frustrated him with his outboxing and big counters. In the rematch he just beat the hell outta GGG and ate GGG's jabs like skittles.
  2. GBoxingFeed

    GBoxingFeed Active Member Full Member

    Sep 24, 2013
    I voted for Kovalev vs Ward 1.

    Whilst I agree that the GGG vs Canelo 1 scorecards were indeed more egregious, at *least* there was the cold comfort of it being ruled a "draw".

    Kovalev vs Ward was a bigger robbery in the fact that the fighter who had gone out and collected the belts was given a 'loss' on the night. The judging of that fight was remarkably similar to the Haney vs Lomachenko fight, in the fact that 90% of people, both professional and general public had the result going the other way, and to get to the result the judges had (the wild 8-4 Haney card to one side) you would have to give literally every close-ish round and benefit of the doubt to the home fighter.

    The reason Kovalev vs Ward was worse was that at least in the Loma vs Haney fight you could *conceivably* make an argument for Haney in *some* of those Kovalev vs Ward it stretches all reasonable boxing credibility to award Ward a majority of those rounds. Had it been anywhere but his home country, and with neutral judges, or had he been some undercard fighter with no narrative, there is zero chance those rounds would've been going to him.

    So yeah, that is why I chose that fight. It was the one that stretched credibility the most and did the most damage to the loser.
  3. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

    Mar 1, 2010
    GGG vs Canelo 1

    Ward vs Kovalev
    GGG vs Canelo 2

    Haney Vs Loma

    Let’s be real this fight was not a robbery at all. This was a very close fight that is Loma would have won the 12th I would have scored the fight a draw but he didn’t. There’s a lot of similarities in this fight to Teo vs Loma where Loma didn’t start as slow but Haney won at least 5 or 6 of the first 8 rounds and won the 12th.
  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    Yes. Of the 117k who voted in that poll, and I don't recall seeing a 17k poll before, let alone a 117k, only 16% had Haney winning and all the other polls I've seen have Loma by a huge majority too.

    But as you say, not a single one of the three home judges scored it for Loma or even had it a draw and one of them even scored a round Loma won big, and hurt and bashed Haney up in, in favour of Haney and he also only gave Loma 4 rounds in total

    One of the others had Haney 5-1 up after six rounds

    The other 5-2 after 7 rounds.

    And the fact they moved the weigh in forward to a 36 hour one for a fight between the biggest fighter in the division vs the smallest one, and the biggest one also happening to be the biggest weight bully in the sport who looks like a skeleton on crack at weigh ins, was a dead giveaway the fix was in

    And this business too

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  5. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Canelo lost the rematch because he was again outworked, outlanded, made to miss repeatedly and did not, unlike the first fight, land the best punches. Golovkin did.
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  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 1, 2012
    Glad you admit that Canelo landed the best punches in the first fight. I hate to break it to you, but Canelo also landed the best punches in the rematch. GGG did land some of the best punches in the rematch, certainly he was able to land better shots than in the first fight because Canelo was standing right in front of him. As far as work rate, Canelo outworked GGG in the rematch because he was constantly loading up on power shots. Work rate isn't only defined by how many punches you throw. It's how much you put into each punch. GGG threw a ton more jabs, but Canelo was expending more energy loading up on power shots and imposing his will on GGG. GGG never imposed his will on Canelo.
  7. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    lol no
  8. Guerra

    Guerra Active Member Full Member

    May 23, 2020
    Just view boxing as the very corrupt sport it is. You need to ko opponents to be sure you are not robbed on the cards.
  9. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 1, 2012
    It would be fun to compare the Top 5 or Top 10 best punches from each fighter in the rematch. I don't have the time right now, but it would be fun to see how your best GGG punches compare to Canelo's best punches.
  10. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Good argument you made.
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  11. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Canelo was stunned a couple of times and that tells me what I need to know. Golovkin was never bothered.
  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 1, 2012
    GGG had a great poker face, he endured the punishment like a soldier, but it couldn't hide the wounds of war.
  13. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 13, 2013
    Anyone can feel free to go through my post history and see that I am no Loma homer at all, as I know that is what these conversations turn into, but the weigh in you mention is such a massive advantage for Haney it just reenforces the bias this fight (like many) have these days.
    The bodyshot comment from Bernstein is subjective but it still a great observation, especially when you consider that factually the body shots were not effective in the sense it never slowed Loma down.

    This whole stupid narrative "you have to beat the champ" some guys on here are spouting is literally giving way to bubkus scorecards and really being ok with cheating. Why should a champion get special treatment? Shouldn't the better fighter win?
    Giving round 10 to Haney at the very least is cause to let that judge know he ain't about that boxing life. It's an embarrassment.
    People can think Haney won and that is ok, but pretending not to see the stuff you point out in your post is willful ignorance that I am tired of.

    Good post.
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  14. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone Full Member

    Aug 27, 2011
  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 1, 2012
    Yeah I would like an official explanation for the early weigh-in and how the televised weigh-in was presented as if it was the real weigh-in, but apparently it wasn't and was all a show. And there was apparently no mention of the early weigh-in already happening. That was definitely sketchy. Does anyone know of any other examples of an earlier weigh-in that wasn't announced as such?
    I'm not sure what to make of that Bernstein comment. He is making it seem like he knows for sure that Tim Cheatham scored each match due to body shots alone. We don't know that body shots were solely responsible for how he scored them.
    If you go back to Canelo GGG 1, it was a very popular way of thinking. In fact many of the people currently arguing that Loma was robbed were the same people saying that Canelo didn't deserve to win the first fight because "you have to beat the champ". So I agree that Champion's advantage in terms of scoring isn't a thing, Champion's advantage only applies if the result is a draw. But you go back to Canelo GGG 1, Champion's advantage (and specifically as it pertains to scoring) was a big talking point. So we need to remind those who took that stance back then who are conveniently forgetting about it now since Loma is the challenger. It's one of the most glaring examples of hypocrisy we've seen on this board, the extent to which people argued GGG had some kind of inherent advantage in scoring because he was the Champ against Canelo to now that not being a thing and the same people who subscribed to that idea for GGG now acting like it's crazy to think that now is hilarious.
    Yeah Loma definitely won Round 10. But it is important to note (Not defending Dave Moretti, but pointing this out) that the reason Loma won that round was due to the flurry at 1:55-1:51 on the clock. Outside of that flurry, the rest of the round was very close, and outside of 1:55-1:51 it did seem like Haney won the remainder of that round. Loma still definitely should have won due to 1:55-1:51 but it's not as if Loma completely dominated the round outside of that sequence or anything.
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