Most dangerous fighter in each weight class from the neck up.

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Pick the fighter with the most formidable tactical mind in each weight class. The most dangerous from the neck up.

    To kick things off-

    Heavy-Jack Johnson
    Light Heavy-Archie Moore
    Middle-Charley Burley
    Welter-Fritzie Zivic
    Lightweight-Benny Leonard
    Feather-Young Griffo
    Bantem-George Dixon
     
    janitor, Jun 22, 2007
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  2. C. M. Clay II

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    HW - Ali

    LHW - Moore

    MW - Monzon

    WW - Leonard

    LW - Gans

    FW - Pep
     
    C. M. Clay II, Jun 22, 2007
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  3. MrSmall

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    What do you mean, from the neck up?
     
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  4. C. M. Clay II

    C. M. Clay II Manassah's finest! Full Member

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    The smartest.
     
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  5. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I put Tunney over Moore for lightheayvweights. Moore was tricky, but he was no were near Tunney in that regard imo.
     
    Dempsey1238, Jun 22, 2007
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  6. Rattler

    Rattler Middle Aged Man Full Member

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    HW - Jack Johnson
    LHW - Gene Tunney
    SMW - Roy Jones Jr.
    MW - Bernard Hopkins
    jMW - Winky Wright
    WW - Pernell Whitaker
    jWW - Antonio Cervantes
    LW - Roberto Duran
    jLW - Alexis Arguello
    FW - Willie Pep
    jFW - Daniel Zaragoza
    BW - Carlos Zarate
    jBW - ?
    FlyW - ?
    jFlyW - Ricardo Lopez
    SW - ?
     
    Rattler, Jun 22, 2007
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  7. janitor

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    Tommy Loughran deserves a mention also.
     
    janitor, Jun 22, 2007
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  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Think of a fighter whose brain made them more dangerous than their talent alone.
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think Hollyfield deserves a mention. I was most impressed with the way he fought Lewis, the way he took advantage of his reluctance to get heavily involved, the way he slowed the fight down to the maximum degree. I have Lewis winning both fights, and I thought he spoiled a bit, but I was most impressed.

    De La Hoya fought the only fight he could have against Mayweather to get himself a win. I thought that was ring general ship at its very best.

    Max Schmeling?

    But far and away the p4p no.1 in would be Archie Moore.



    As an aside, can anyone think of a fighter who lets himself down in this department?
     
    McGrain, Jun 22, 2007
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  10. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A bunch of guys from the lightheavyweights should get a mention, Loughran, Conn, Delaney, Tunney, Charles, Jack O Brien, Rosenbloom, and a few others imo.
     
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  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Some sound choices.
     
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  12. Rattler

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    A really intelligent fighter wouldn't disregard their most successful punch, and that's exactly what Oscar did when he stopped jabbing. That was the only time he had any real success against Floyd.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    Everybody said this from the general forum posters to the guys in the studio that evening - but it wasn't my impression. I thought De La Hoya abandoned his jab - and he did use it in the first few rounds - because he was being countered of his jab. I also felt he was wrong footing Oscar and getting round the corner on him a little bit, though nothing dramatic happened.

    What is your theory about why Oscar abandoned his jab?

    Anyway, I don't agree. I think the adjustment he made was correct, but not the cornerstone of my point which is that Oscar made a fight - which I saw as almost impossible for him to win - very, very difficult to score, without relying upon workrate which would have been disastrous for a fighter his age.
     
    McGrain, Jun 22, 2007
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  14. Pat_Lowe

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    I agree with you on pretty much all counts there. I also think alot of Michael Spinks' tactics and smarts can be attributed to Eddie Futch.
     
    Pat_Lowe, Jun 22, 2007
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  15. SuzieQ49

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    i think moore was far more cagey and smart than gene tunney, moore knew how to adapt his style at all different measures to fight his opponent much better than tunney did. tunney simply fought with the same style every time and usually faced much smaller or older opponents
     
    SuzieQ49, Jul 9, 2007
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