Most disgraceful performances by defending champions

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  1. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've seen this line of reasoning in Wlad's favor before; although, typically, it comes from avid Wlad fans.

    But fouling is fouling. The person committing the foul is to blame and Wlad intentionally sought out the clinch, rather than box, on countless occasions, throughout the fight. Frankly, I don't know how anyone could come to the conclusion that "Povetkin" was at fault, let alone "equally at fault".

    Wlad absolutely relies on the clinch instead of 'defensive boxing skills' to survive. On many occasions, Wlad actually jumps forward to initiate the clinch. Other times, both his feet leave the canvas to maximize the weight on Povetkin's neck and shoulders, during the clinch.

    I am not sure of your recollection of the fight, but you might recall that Wlad was never in a hurry to get out of the clinch; never worked on the inside; just maintained his grip, head-locked him; pulled his man downward, leant down on him, threw him to the floor - just accentuating the degree of the fouling.

    Sorry - but that is just not his opponent's fault.
     
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  2. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    He didn't. He fought like a man who'd just been paid around $90k from a $900k pay day, three times less than his promoter's 'son' earned.
     
  3. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol: Did that^ not sound ridiculous in your head, before you typed it? Because it sure looks ridiculous now you've posted it.
     
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  4. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Well when it comes to disgraceful behavior by beltholders, it doesnt get any worse than John Ruiz. Ruiz was terrible. In fact, worse than that. Not only did he have all the ability of high grade clubfighter, but he used his connections with Don King to get title shot after undeserved title shot, and a free pass for his illegal holding tactics and other shenanigans that should have gotten him disqualified in virtually every fight against decent fighters. He "won" by breaking the RULES against excessive holding.

    Not only this, in several fights by blatantly overacting to draw bogus low blow calls to get crucial point deductions (Thunder, Holyfield II) or a bogus DQ (Johnson). His entire career against world class opposition is utterly fraudulent.

    And, then, the gift decisions, the worst of which being the Golota fight. Golota should have won that fight, it's one of the worst robberies of the period. Golota outlanded Ruiz, had him on the canvas twice and there was actually a (RARE) point deduction for one of Ruiz's illegal moves. Yet somehow "all the King's judges" gave the nod to Ruiz. Shameful. And yet another example of how a powerful promoter took a mediocre regional fighter and made him an (undeserving) beltholder

    Ruiz is exhibit A of how corruption damages boxing, elevating a talentless hack to levels his ability never merited. Without Don King, he's a regional beltholder, at best.
     
  5. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    :thumbsup:
     
  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    It wasn’t a defense if he didn’t make weight.
     
  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Maskaev against Okello Peter and Valuev against What The Heck Beck.
     
  8. NoNeck

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    Holmes against Ali.
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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  10. BCS8

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    Y'know, somebody said Douglas vs Holyfield and I rewatched that one. Personally I thought Holy looked razor sharp and in perfect form. It was less about Douglas sucking than Holyfield being from the next level up.
     
  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    But Douglas quit. Holyfield isn’t one shotting any 240 pound heavyweight in the second round.
     
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  12. BCS8

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    Agree with this. Wlad was the one mostly at fault imho, but Povetkin initiated a ton of clinches too, particularly in the second half of the fight. So of course Wlad was only too happy to take advantage. Povetkin should have let rip once he got in range but inexplicably hugged as well. The referee should have enforced the rules and deducted points for clinching early on. When it's a proper boxing match it gets more even, even though I still fancy Wlad.

    THAT ALL SAID, Wlad is not the only guy to have engaged in egregious huggery. Johnson, Ali, Ruiz etc are all examples of heavies that abused the clinch.
     
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  13. BCS8

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    Maybe. IDK. He looked pretty scrambled by that shot which was perfectly timed. On the other hand you could be right. Maybe he thought that if he turned it into a slugfest he could win it because he was getting his ears boxed off. Maybe he realised that he would lose the slugfest as well and called it quits.
     
  14. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    Michael Spinks lineal championship
     
  15. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    I can top that easily : Wlad vs Fury. Both men not only disgraced themselves, but boxing's marquee division and thus the sport itself in it's entirety along with every true champion that ever lived. Combined they landed 138 (i think that's a generous assessment, btw) punches in 12 rounds. Boxing has yet to recover. Apparently I'm the only one that sees this. I don't get it. :shakehead: