Most dominant world champion in Middleweight

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Who was most superior to his competition?

  1. Carlos Monzon

    12 vote(s)
    50.0%
  2. Marvin Hagler

    4 vote(s)
    16.7%
  3. Gennady Golovkin

    3 vote(s)
    12.5%
  4. Bernard Hopkins

    2 vote(s)
    8.3%
  5. Stanley Ketchel

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Ray Robinson

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Edward Henry Greg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Robert Fitzsimmons

    3 vote(s)
    12.5%
  9. Michael Nunn

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Marcel Cerdan

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    Which boxer had the biggest gap between him and the rest of the division during his reign?
    I could have listed Roy Jones Jr., Sergio Natalio Martinez or maybe Jake La Motta as well.
     
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    The way Fitzsimmons destroyed Dempsey as well as the best contenders like Creedon makes me feel he's one of the best candidates here.
     
  3. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Monzon
    Fitz
    Ketchel
    Hagler
    Robinson
    GGG
     
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    Well you kind of have to look at the amount of defences for the dominance. Then you're talking about Golovkin and Hopkins, and out of those two GGG was the one that looked more unbeatable.

    On the other hand I'm not going to argue with guys that say Monzon. Hagler would be a pick in terms of sheer quality but he had Hearns, Leonard and Duran around to make him look mortal.

    So maybe the question ought to include the quality of opposition as well, since dominating an average era is arguably less impressive than being a standout that looked beatable against great opposition.

    Also, Greb was pretty much unbeatable for a long stretch of his 200+ fight career.
     
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    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Roy Jones has as good a claim as any. He was light years ahead of a very good field of middleweights. (Hopkins, Toney, Jackson, McCallum, Benn, Eubank, Collins, Johnson)
     
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    In terms of the way the question was phrased, I've gone for Hagler - 11 kos in 12 successful defenses of the undisputed middleweight championship and he dominated all but one of his opponents in those wins. It's a very close run thing with Monzon though.
     
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    Cerdan won the title and 9 months later lost it in his first defense,why is his name here?
     
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  11. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    Because he appeared narrowly invicible as he had only 1 or 2 defeats in over hundred professional bouts.
     
  12. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    But Hopkins was already defeated before he even became champion and draw with a gate-keeper (second tier boxer) until finally winning it.

    His performances against Hearns and Duran were actual dominant or devastating. Though he got some fire back by Mugabi, but handled this at the end sovereign (clear) and there have to be the strongness of the opponent regarded. But he was possible already past his best when he became world champion, at least in these defences.

    Greb had over 300 fights I think.
     
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  13. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    That's true, but he defended the title only twice and moved up quickly to Super-Middleweight. Maybe ought to have I replaced him for Cerdan or Nunn.
     
  14. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Your thread stipulates ,"most dominant champion",there's nothing dominant about holding a title 9 months and losing it in your first defense!
     
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  15. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    He was favourite there and recognized as the best middleweight by far, but lost by injury. You can be also dominant in winning a title or being dominator without defences; he could have done his first defence even after two or three year: Sullivan and Dempsey had both longer lay-offs but named dominator in the time between as well.
     


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