Most dominant world champion in Middleweight

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Who was most superior to his competition?

  1. Carlos Monzon

    12 vote(s)
    52.2%
  2. Marvin Hagler

    4 vote(s)
    17.4%
  3. Gennady Golovkin

    3 vote(s)
    13.0%
  4. Bernard Hopkins

    1 vote(s)
    4.3%
  5. Stanley Ketchel

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Ray Robinson

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Edward Henry Greg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Robert Fitzsimmons

    3 vote(s)
    13.0%
  9. Michael Nunn

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Marcel Cerdan

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Jel

    Jel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cerdan certainly gave a dominant performance to win the title, I agree with you there.

    But making 0 defenses can't reasonably be described as dominant.
     
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  2. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    But before losing it, he was regarded as much better than his challengers/ the contenders.
     
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    Jel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not really.
     
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    He beat an over the hill Tony Zale end of.
     
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    Cerdan had lost to Cyrille Dellanoit just 5 months earlier! And he wasn't even the number one challenger for Zale's title.
    Some of the ranked guys he hadn't fought;
    Wade
    Lytell
    Belloise
    Burley
    Graziano
    Hostak
    Chase
    Cocoa kid
    Basora
    Dauthille

    I don't wish to labor the point, but Cerdan really should not be in this discussion.
     
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    The three guys that stand out for dominance to me are (in chronological order) Monzon, Hagler and Hopkins.

    For pure dominance, I made the argument in favour of Hagler in my earlier post but if anyone said Monzon I wouldn't argue strongly against it.

    Hopkins started his title reign directly after a very strong post-Hagler crop of middleweights ('87-'93). His 14 pre-unification defenses were against pretty weak opposition so he was the best titlist of an average bunch in the second half of the 90s. But he wasn't really the dominant force until he beat Trinidad and unified the title in 2001. He then made 6 defenses of the undisputed title in 4 years.

    By comparison, Monzon made 14 defenses (albeit minus a few as unified champ when he was stripped by the WBC) over 7 years and Hagler made 12 in 6 and a half years.

    If it was an all-time list, mine would be Monzon, Hagler, then Hopkins but in terms of pure dominance, for me it's Hagler (just), then Monzon, and then Hopkins.
     
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  7. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    If losing against someone shall be a proof for this, but there battle was named fight of the year by the Ring Magazine. He also had just three months before stopped all time great Graziano in one of the best fights in that year (as end of one of the most amazing trilogies).

    He was long time European/ IBU champion too before.
     
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    Zale was 35 years old when he fought Cerdan and had lost his prime year ,4 of them to WW2
    Everyone knows Zale was past his prime,this is not even debateable and if he was in his prime Graziano would not have been competitive with him. Zale retired immediately after the Cerdan fight.
    Neither was he a long time EBU champion.He won the vacant title on June 2nd 1947 and lost it Feb1948.So just one year.

    I don't think many would call Rocky Graziano an all time great,and Ive never seen his name on a list of top 20 middleweights!
     
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    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    He avenged this defeat less than two months later, between these fights! What you (intenional) forgot to mention, McVea...errrhm Tonto.:deal::buenrollo:
    And you listed some boxers of other divisions as usual, like the welterweight Kid Cocoa, who hardly fought ever in Middleweight.

    Why you don't mention the guys he fought instead of these who not? Because it doesn't suit your agenda:
    He defeated the here very high rated Holman Williams, Georgie Abrams and had his first defence against the top contender La Motta.
     
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    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    Everything is debatable and to try to deny this/ pretend otherwise, it only shows you are ignorant and against human rights (like a fascist).
    Cerdan was only a little bit younger too (2 - 3 years).
    I always had Graziano in my top 20, few places ahead of Zale and Tiger.

    Although I might to have listed Arthur Abraham instead of him in this survey.
     

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