Most effective MA for self-defense.

People act like grappling doesn't have its flaws. That's a good way to tear your ACL and your MCL when you could have just walked away or knocked your opponent out like a real man.

 

I wouldn't call tearing someone's ligament a flaw, it takes practice to do it just like throwing a punch.

Also "real man" is just a phrase that's been repeated over and over for generations by people who have been outsmarted. You cant help but be who you are.

 

I don't think you understood what Piece was saying.

He is saying that an untrained combatant in a street fight attempting take downs and grappling on the ground is likely to injure themselves while trying, when they could have just settled it one way or another while standing.

 

aaaah, I thought there was something strange about that part.

 

:good

Rolling around (especially on cement, with your heads potentially smacking into curbs, or with shards of glass or who knows what lying all over the place) unnecessarily prolongs and increases the elements of chaos in a fight, bringing in all kinds of added danger to both parties from both external or environmental hazards as well as just the anatomical strain of attempting positional control if you are not a trained martial artist - or hell, even if you are.

Stand-up fist-fights are generally short and sweet, and conclusive. Yeah, maybe if you get hit right you can end up with a concussion (and especially if you fall and land badly while unconscious or semi-conscious) but overall the risk of permanent damage is much lower and the outcome far more decisive than having two people roll around until one tires out, tears something, or concedes.

 

The part that keeps nagging me is that the majority of the people who take things to the ground do so because they're terrible at fighting standing up, and they sort of know how to effectively "ground and pound" or keep the other guy down until they quit therefore avoiding a beating and humiliation.

do you tell them "hey dont take it to the ground it's more dangerous there" if that's all they know..


Although I've seen a street fight where after an exchange of punches one of the guys would jump out into the middle of traffic and barely avoid an accident and with fighting on the ground its not as unpredictable so if you're in a busy place traffic will be able to see you and other people will guide you away from dangerous situations. If its a fair fight.

 

Depends on who you're fighting. I'd rather roll on the ground with some steroid freak than stand up and brawl with him.

 

:huhfrom watching youtube videos steroid dudes are the ones that are terrible boxers. I would definitely rather stand up with them. Where on the ground they would just use their brute strength and over power you.

 

Nah. I've fought plenty of them. They can be surprisingly quick and dangerous standing up. On the ground they rely on their strength a little too much but have no leverage.

They're also blowing out their ****s after 15 seconds because they neglect cardio.

 

Aaah yes, I can see that happening. There are the roided super slick dudes who box well

Although I'm sure there are a few exceptions.

I watched this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NskKMHVP-7o

The noises the big dude makes are hilarious. Has no business being in a fist fight.

 

A lot of the problem with styles like karate and taekwondo is the lack of full contact sparring, and the rule set that they use when they do spar (IE…no punches to the face). It's not realistic training for a real fight, and it gets people beat when they get into a confrontation with someone on the street.

 

let me ask you this, have you personally seen a guy who was proficient in karate or TWD get their asses beat? Becuase those guys are the last ones to get into a fight. It's usually the wackos from each teaching that do that after going to 5 classes and thinking they know everything.

I did a year of TWD at a really good school when I was young and no one bothered me after that ( I had some problems before)

I would say out of all of the fighting styles boxers are the first to jump into a physical fight, or the ones that are least likely to back down from an unnecessary physical challenge.

 

Outside of the early UFC's, I haven't seen an adult who was proficient in Taewkondo or Karate get into fight. When I was in high school, there was a guy who supposedly did really good at the tournaments, and I saw him get completely handled by a guy who only did a little bit of boxing. You're completely right though about the guys who box being more apt to get into a confrontation than those from traditional martial art backgrounds.

 

I appreciate this reply :thumbsup

 

I did not read this thead but the simple answer would be Krav Maga! A self defense MA for street senarios.