Most impressive 6 fight streak at HW? (H2H factored) Is it Usyk? (Read OP)

He wouldn't take the fight.

Foreman isn't a gun shy fighter like Wlad with durability issues. He will trap Fury on the ropes instantly.

Foreman has far more punching variety than Wilder. Better left hook, better jab, better right uppercut, better left uppercut, better chin etc. The Fury fans are just grossly exaggerating Fury's ability to make Usyk look better.

Its Foreman who walks through him easier than he did through Frazier. None of the Fury fans can explain how his defense holds up vs a guy with more punching variety than he has ever seen.

 

Again i just don't understand this size obsession considering Fury has struggled far more with smaller fighters than bigger ones.

Chisora does not have a fraction of the punching power that Foreman does.

Foreman isn't slow. His feet were very quick. Ali himself said that he couldn't have danced away from Foreman even if he wanted to and no version of Fury moves as quick as even a 32 year old Ali.

Fury can't keep Foreman away from him. Foreman had very very underrated footspeed and will instantly have Fury on the ropes.

Easier? The dude who was nearly ko'd by a 212 lb Wilder who does not have Foreman's punching variety and durability? No.

 

One reason speed, punching variety doesn't matter if you're slow as hell and you can't physically overpower someone. You still can't answer how Foreman is going to beat someone he can't physically overpower who won't just stand in front of him and eat power shots. But what can you expect from someone who doesn't know how feints work. Btw that Wlad is way better then any version of Foreman: hits harder, is faster, has better cardio etc and he can barely land on Fury. But magically Foreman with his winding shots will? Get real.

 

I know Swag isn't implying it, but others have, that Ali and Frazier were the best they ever would be in March of 1971. We have no earthly idea of how good Ali would be or could be because he wasn't allowed to box professionally for three years and seven months in what presumably would have been his prime. That takes nothing away from Joe who is arguably the greatest pressure fighter of all time and would have been Hell for any out boxer including Ali.

 

Foreman is quicker footed than that version of Wlad.

Foreman is far more relentless than Wlad who was gun shy.

The dude who did not have the skill to keep a slow MMA fighter off him isn't keeping Foreman off him.

Fury is far too hittable to avoid Foreman. Foreman will trap him on the ropes within 2 rounds. Less than that. Calling Foreman slow is a complete joke. Foreman was not slow.

 

Not really inferior. Wilder hit harder, was rangier, actually knew how to defend a title, had far better stamina/pacing and, most importantly, demonstrated that he could consistently beat boxers who weighed more than him whereas Foremsn didn’t.

 

All that stamina (and weight, for that matter) is useless at world level when you have the limited and ineffective armory of Chisora.

 

LOL

Almost like an MMA fighter who is bigger then Foreman, stronger, and actually wrestles for a living knows how to clinch better then a guy who couldn't do anything when Ali and Young were grabbing him.

LOL Fury is less hittable then the Ali Foreman fought and we all saw how that went. Btw Fury has the lowest percent of punches landed on him of any HW but sure keep yapping but how bad Fury's defense is against way better fighters then Foreman.

 

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I disagree after the Foreman fight he looked "really really good". Maybe in a general sense but not relative to what he was at his peak. "

Why is that? Foreman's prime is generally regarded from '73 to '74. Ali's '66 to '67 (though granted, he was still likely reaching his peak when he lost the title), Tyson '86 to '88. Bowe's prime was ONE fight ffs. There's absolutely nothing unusual about it.

This logic doesn't work because plenty of observers were already noting signs of decline in Frazier before he faced Foreman—particularly based on how he looked against Daniels and Stander.https://news.google.com/newspapers?...b9QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4V8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6176,2571228

Bounced back beautifully — but against who, exactly? The only new opponent he faced was Bugner, and not only did Frazier fail to finish him after scoring a knockdown, he was nearly dropped himself. As for Ellis and Quarry, they were both far removed from their primes by then — clearly faded versions of the men Frazier had fought earlier. And yet, Frazier actually took longer to stop a completely shot, unranked Ellis — who was in the middle of a five-fight winless streak — than he did when Ellis was still in top form. That was two years after Shavers had already knocked Ellis out cold in the first round.

You don’t need to exaggerate Frazier’s post FOTC condition to boost Ali’s legacy — his resume is already stellar. Claiming Frazier was still at his absolute peak in 1973–74 — despite clear signs of decline — actually dilutes the real greatness of Ali's achievements by making them seem dependent on revisionism. The truth is impressive enough.

 

Wilder does not hit harder.

Wilder defended vs C class fighters and was protected from anyone good.

Foreman did not have bad stamina. Wilder would have been gasping for air in 5 rounds.

Foreman hits harder than Wilder and does so with both hands.

There is not a single attribute that Wilder has that is better than Foreman including power. Beating a bunch of low quality overweight heavies doesn't prove anything. Norton alone is better than anyone Wilder has ever beaten.

 

Dude just give up. No one is rating Usyk as a top 5 all time heavyweight. He does not have the resume for it. He barely has a resume for top 10 if we are being generous.

 

38 year old Ortiz probably beats anyone Foreman beat in either career.

 

This is just about weather you think heavyweights were better in the 70s and 80s or now. That's pretty what this is decided on.....

 

That's a surprise. I would have thought it would be either Vitali or Wlad.

Since Vitali lost like just 10 rounds in his career or so and Wlad up till his last 3 fights and had only lost 17 rounds.

 

Among current HWs