Most impressive 6 fight streak at HW? (H2H factored) Is it Usyk? (Read OP)

Imaginary? Happy to make it a demonstrable one, if we can agree to assign some jeopardy to the outcome.

As you (understandably) won't agree to that, I'll just suggest that you don't feel offended if the majority in the collective places an equal value on yours.

 

The entire premise of this thread is that I made a statement that is correct but also upsetting to the “collective” of this forum.

Something seems to have gone over your head.

 

Muhammad Ali's streak is the best and thank you @Dynamicpuncher

 

Dubois is a con job. The guy has brute strength but a paper chin and zero boxing smarts.

How many times did Lerena sit him down?

I love Usyk but let’s not pretend he’s been through a murderer’s row of opponents.

 

So you're not pushing your challenge on my guess of the collective forums view as being "imaginary" any further, then, but rather pushing the narrative that the collective view is wrong and yours is right.

Given the eventual outcome if you had, that's a sensible decision.

 

I think people may have DD over Bugner and Lyle but other wise I would imagine what you said would hold true for most the forum.

 

Let’s all sit around in a circle on George Foreman themed cushions and sing “Kumbaya.”

 

I like EZ Charles list the best.

 

Relatively speaking, not a bad run. But six wins collectively against the same three opponents limits the scope of assessment.

Then there's the fighters themselves...

Fury was more or less at the end of the road, and had been visibly declining post Wilder II. Has he stayed retired since Usyk II? (Or does another potential farce beckon?)

Joshua was found out. Nowhere near as good as people were making him out to be and combined with his frangible mandible, became an unsafe bet. From a purely sporting context, the rematch with Usyk was quite needless.

Dubious was still unproven, IMO. He beat the frangible mandible guy, which was a good win, well taken. But in the scheme of things, not a massive surprise. He could have really done with exploring a couple of other options before taking on Usyk again - taking challenges from other's waiting in the wings, perhaps to establish himself a little more.


I also find it notable that the only World Title fight participants over the last 5 years, not named Fury, Joshua, Usyk or Dubois are:

- Wilder (In a 'beginning-of-the-end' affair)
- Pulev (An installed sitter)
- Whyte (One of the worst heavyweight title bouts I have seen, although probably on a par with Fury/Chisora III)
- Chisora (A mates-rates cash-in)


I don't think this state of affairs speaks much to the level at the top and it certainly doesn't demonstrate a depth in the division. This, despite a seeming potential in the top-ten, which might have provided fresh challengers if nothing else. Some have been around for a few years and are now out or on their way out of the ratings (Sanchez and Zhang, for example - and Ruiz Jr maybe deserved another crack).

 

You can criticise anyone's resume.

Fury could arguably be 0-3 in his last 3 fights including vs an MMA fighter his last win over a ranked contender was in 2022.

Joshua's last real notable win was in 2020 against Pulev his record in his last 7 fights is 4-3.

Archie Moore was old but he atleast beat top contenders like Bob Baker, Nino Valdes, coming into the Marciano fight and his overall Heavyweight record is something like 67-4.

 

It isn't correct though Tyson's list of wins is better overall.

Beating 6 world class opponents is better than beating 3 opponents.

Holmes is a top 5 Heavyweight of all time Fury would barely be top 20 if that.

Spinks is rated way above Joshua in all time P4P rankings.

Tucker is better than Dubois.

And then you have the other wins over Thomas, Tubbs, Biggs, which is a more vast list of opponents overall.

The way Tyson beat his opponents aswell way more emphatically stopping all of them barring Tucker is more impressive also.

 

Moore would be the strongest guy on that list in a head to head context as the version Marciano actually faced. But still, this is head to head and we're looking at an old lightheavy as the best on the list.

 

Whilst this appears to be a remarkably original approach to grooming, I politely decline.

 

Just stop. You can’t pretend like decisively winning those rematches isn’t a big deal.

Fury is top 20 or top 15 and h2h above 88 Holmes, easily.

Like I said before, you fight the guy in front of you and not their resume.

That’s why I don’t play the game of telling you how Dubois had a better resume than than most of Tyson’s title reign opponents.