Most impressive run: Hopkins, RJJ or Wlad?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hopkins 1993-2005, RJJ 1997-2004 or Wlad 2004-2015?

    After losing to Jones in 1993, Hopkins remained unbeaten until 2005. His only blips during this period was a draw and an NC (if you even consider the NC a blip).

    After losing (DQ) to Griffin in 1997, Jones had an unblemished record until his loss to Tarver in 2004.

    After his loss to Brewster in 2004, Wlad likewise had an unblemished record until his loss to Fury in 2015.

    Which run do you consider the most impressive?
     
  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Quality of opposition is Hopkins, but he handpicked at the right times. I would say Jones Jr. was the best of them all.
     
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  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    De Valle wouldn`t have dropped Hopkins during his run and would have been more outboxed, but at the start of Hopkins run he wasn`t very good and Roy was far better at the start of his own run, I preffered the way Wlad fought during his prime to Roy, I think the Harding fight was very unimpressive. I also think Wlad`s KO percentage during his run may have been higher than Roy`s and he beat Chris Byrd who was better than anyone Roy beat from `97-2004 and many felt he lost to Tarver in their first fight, where he was really unimpressive, Hopkins prover Tarver wasn`t that talented also.
     
  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Out of these three runs, you only concern yourself with what you perceive as the negatives with Roy's... Did the man screw your girlfriend in front of you or something?
     
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  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No but Roy`s unblemish run with the girls was a lot longer and more impressive than mines! My run wit the girls lasted from 1993-93 when I was 17!;)
     
  6. Bokaj

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    Byrd was on the slide, I think, when Wlad faced him the second time. But if you say that the version of Povetkin that Wlad beat was better than anyone Roy beat 1997-2003, I wouldn't object. Though absolutely horrible to watch, the way he just nullified a dangerous guy like Povetkin was really impressive. In fact that might be the most impressive performance anyone of them has during these periods.

    Yes, Roy didn't look good even when beating Tarver. On the other hand, I don't know if Wlad or Hopkins ever looked as great against top contenders as Roy did against Griffin (rematch), Hill and Johnson. Hopkins also didn't have a great first fight against Mercado of course and he was behind on one card by the time of the NC against Allen. Wlad was eerily consistent in his dominance during this period, though. Well, Peter gave him a bad scare.
     
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  7. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Probably Wlad. Hopkins looked poor in some fights (Mercado, Echols), and the opposition was very poor (no fault of his own).

    Jones Jr was at his best pre-Griffin. Hill was over the hill, Reggie was very over the hill, and Ruiz was pretty poor.

    Wlad had poor opposition, too, but he never struggled so desperately like Hopkins with Mercado/Echols and Jones Jr with Tarver, I guess.
     
  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    While Echols gave Hopkins something to think about at times in their first fight it was a far cry from desperately struggling. It was a wide UD and I don't think Hopkins ever was in any real trouble. Wlad, on the other hand, was on the verge of being KO'd by Peter.
     
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  9. Sting like a bean

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    The answer seems to me very, very obvious: Jones for dominance at his peak and Hopkins for longevity. Wlad doesn't deserve serious consideration for either.
     
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  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I definitely think Wlad is in the discussion. For 11 years and 19 fights (the vast majority being title fights) he hardly was touched by anyone but Peter (Haye landed something decent, but didn't have him in as much trouble as Peter did).

    Yes, he never faced Vitaly and it was otherwise a pretty mediocre era, but Hopkins and Jones also had pretty non-descript opposition during their runs and Hopkins didn't win every fight and Jones never faced DM. Jones was more spectacular but his run was also shorter.
     
  11. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jones' run was the most impressive. Bernard had great longevity, and some excellent wins after losing twice to Taylor. But, prior to that, Bernard mostly faced C level competition, or good fighters who were much smaller than him. Wlad comes in third. Great longevity, but, abysmal competition. In Wlad's entire career he only fought 2 or 3 people who had any legitimate chance of beating him. And, he lost to all of them.
     
  12. Bokaj

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    It's quite reasonable to say that Joshua and Fury were the best fighters Wlad ever faced, yes, but he was also old when he faced them. And, anyhow, both were outside the run that's the topic for this thread.
     
  13. Oakland Billy Smith

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    B-Hop..
    I don't think he gets enough credit for either his dominance at 160 or his success at 175

    He dominated 160 for so long, and I think his style and size would make him a nightmare for any 160 lb champ of the day including Monzon or Hagler ...

    And I still think his most dangerous opponents were at 175, where he also dominated right up until the Kovelev fight when he was already pushing 50

    Hopkins may not have had the most crowd friendly style, but I enjoyed watching him, and I can't think of any other fighter of the modern era who beat so many top fighters when they were at their best

    Also, Hopkins seemed to ruin big name fighters so that they never were the same again...Kelly pavlic is the best example, but same could be said about Tarver, Tito, Taylor and to a lesser degree ODH.

    Also mix in the fact that he never really suffered a convincing defeat (aside from Jones in 94) until the age of 50

    I'm sorry but this question is a no trainer to me:
    Hopkins all the way!
     
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  14. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I really meant Sanders and Brewster. Both knocked him out. And the limited Sam Peter dropped Wlad and had him shaky on multiple occasions. I don't consider any of Wlad's other challengers to have been quality opposition worthy of a title shot. Byrd was too old, and I was never sold on Haye at heavyweight.
     
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  15. PhillyPhan69

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    Wow, pretty tough calls. My initial thoughts were that we would be splitting hairs and that there reall was not a definitive correct answer.

    I wrote down:
    Hopkins
    RJJ
    Wlad

    Then gave a cursory glance (not an in-depth analysis.

    Hopkins 24-0-1 (1 NC) (best wins Tito, Glen Johnson, Joppy, Holmes, DLH and very thin)

    Wlad 22-0-0 (best wins Rahman, Peter x’s 2, Haye, Byrd, povetkin)

    RJJ 15-0-0 (best wins Tarver, Griffen, hill, Reggie Johnson, ?Harding?)

    All very good and for longevity impressive. But I still don’t feel a difinitive correct answer exists?

    I like Wlad & Hopkins at 1-2 and RJJ at 3. But if the Ruiz and jump to HW carries more weight for someone I could see RJJ...

    I don’t think I would argue anyone’s placement. However I might question reasoning for those placements? Mark’s does not even have a shread of rational thought...which is not surprising.
     
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