Most impressive run: Hopkins, RJJ or Wlad?

So in essence Hops treated RJJ kinda like RJJ tried to do to Hopkins for 17 stinking years.

You obviously side with Jones as far as what you think Hopkins should get. Hopkins felt he was worth more than you and Jones do.

 

It's not about Bernard wanting more mate. I'd have had no issue with that. It's the fact that he demanded a completely unfeasible amount. Issuing a $10m ultimatum isn't the actions of a guy wanting a bigger slice of the pie. That's the actions of a guy who clearly didn't want to fight at all.

He said in 2010 that the loss to Roy was his only clear loss and that he thought about trying to avenge it everyday. So that speaks volumes.

 

http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=rafael_dan&id=5046549

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articl...rts/2010/04/hopkins-jones_rematch_finally.amp

Most seem to feel two big egos couldn’t agree...I assume you are an RJJ guy and Bernard should accept whatever crumbs Jones dictates.

I wish the fight would have happened because I know Hopkins would win!!!! But either way I fault both guys because if they both wanted it, it would have happened.

 

Yes, I'm an RJJ guy, and I respect that you're a Hopkins guy.

How is $6m crumbs to a guy who's biggest purse was $2.5m?

He was mainly fighting guys for around $1m.

Yes, they had giant egos. But again, not being happy with $6m is one thing, but demanding $10m or no fight is simply another thing altogether. Surely you can see that.

Again, that was not a case of them not being able to to reach a compromise. That was a clear sign of Bernard not wanting the fight at all.

If Bernard had felt as confident as you, he'd have tried harder to make the fight.

His actions in 2010 tell you everything that you need to know.

 

C'mon Louden.. … And are you saying that RJJ didn't miss a lot of guys at 168?? He beat Toney then who?? He was getting the money already no matter who he fought

 

LOL .. I remember when you used to stick up for him , paraphrasing here, " well he seems to like boxing a lot and I don't really mind his odd delivery" then slowly changes to " well, I'll really haven't decided yet what to think" ..to now .." what the **** is your problem? " .. it's so funny to me... You definitely held out way longer than Morlocks did .. he started snapping almost immediately

 

Lol, I still think he is a decent guy...and I will leave it at that. A Merry Christmas to us all; God bless us, every one!

 

Yes I know and me too... nothing wrong with a little fun in the holidays .. merry Xmas to you to brother

 

After thinking about it I’m going to say Vladimir and here’s why;
Typically speaking heavyweights don’t have a long shelf life, Louis and Holmes are the notable exceptions.
Tying into the previous point, at heavyweight one punch can change everything - see Lennox Lewis (twice)
Vlad had already been stopped 3 times earlier in his career and was considered chinny, reluctant if not frightened. The fact that he would go on to last as long as he did was the least expected of the 3 fighters listed.
He also fought internationally fwiw

 

“I assume you are an RJJ guy...”
Brother, that’s like assuming Michael Jordan played a little basketball in his day. Loudon isn’t just an “RJJ guy” he’s Roy’s hagiographer

 

I agree with all of this.

 

I was a pretty big Hopkins fan back in the early 00s but it seemed pretty clear to me that he wasn’t particularly interested in fighting Roy Jones again. And I didn’t really blame him.

 

You can't hold someone being a bit taller and having more reach than some opponents against them. Monzon, Hearns, Arguello, the list is endless of guys that were tall and long for their particular divisions. It means nothing inside the confines of a weight division. It can also be a disadvantage.

At the end of the day they can fight where they want. Duran could have been higher in the weights far earlier and the same goes with 10000 others. When Hopkins eventually hit the wall at 160 up he went.

 

I agree. It is interesting how Jones is now seen as having fought everyone but at the time he was sort of handpicking He could fight anyone and not many people complained except the boxing people.