Most likely To Stop Jeffries Before 15?

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Who could ko /tko James J Jeffries Before the 15 th?

  1. Dempsey?

    40.0%
  2. Louis?

    93.3%
  3. Marciano?

    36.7%
  4. Liston?

    56.7%
  5. Frazier?

    43.3%
  6. None of the above would stop him in his prime.

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  1. mcvey

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    Because he had a panic attack and he had already been half killed by Fitz,which poses the question ,why was he in there instead of the Cornishman?
     
  2. mcvey

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    Making a statement as you have doesn't make it a fact.Having your nose broken 3 times,having a cauliflower ear and scar tissue over both eyes points irrevocably to poor defence! Sharkey fought several rounds with a broken finger cracked ribs and a dislocated arm READ THE REPORTS!
     
  3. mcvey

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    Making a statement as you have doesn't make it a fact.Having your nose broken 3 times,having a cauliflower ear and scar tissue over both eyes points irrevocably to poor defence!
     
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  4. mcvey

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    You see feints and head movement from two actors!WTF!
     
  5. mcvey

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    You see feints and head movement from two actors!WTF!
     
  6. mcvey

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    Ruhlin took the first 2 rounds.
     
  7. Brockton Rock

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    Marciano obviously gets him out of there with the least trouble
     
  8. 70sFan865

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    I'm not sure if he would beat Jeffries to be honest. Rocky's main advantage over most is stamina and consistent pressure. Jeffries was used to that and he likely had more stamina than any of Rocky's opponents. On top of that, he was also bigger and stronger than Marciano. Interesting fight nonetheless.
     
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  9. mcvey

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    Jeffries said Sharkey always gave him hell because he was constantly attacking.Marciano would be doing the same, but with a bit more evasiveness.
     
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  10. janitor

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    If you put Andrew Golotta in front of a fighter who has no defense, then even if he is having a bit of a wobble, he is going to bust them up pretty badly.

    You can't just explain this away!
    Because Fitz would not agree to terms, for whatever reason.
     
  11. Jason Thomas

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    Very interesting discussion fellows.

    I think boxing improved greatly over the decades. I can't imagine Jeff handling Louis or Liston at all. He just doesn't seem to have the right style nor defense.

    Marciano is interesting. I think off the film of Marciano and the very limited film we have of Jeffries, Marciano had a better bob and weave defense and a more damaging punch. Jeff's chance here rests on his size. He was a very big and athletic man for his era and for the next three generations or so, until heavyweights began to catch up with him physically in the sixties and seventies. I think his size advantage gives him a shot against Marciano, but my vote is for Rocky.

    Frazier is a bigger version of Marciano, but with perhaps a weaker chin. I wonder how that Jeff crouch would work against Joe. I like Joe, but I think Jeff has at least a shot here.

    Dempsey overwhelmed slow moving guys early, but his big guys seem to have been nothing like Jeff in toughness and athleticism, and in Firpo's case, even skill. A young Willard might be an exception, but the fat, nearly 38 year old, long laid off, Willard whom Dempsey slaughtered is hardly a comp for a young Jeff. I see Jeff having his best chance here if he can ride out Dempsey's early attack. I think Jeff can win this one, especially if he fights aggressively and forces Dempsey into retreating. How both men fighting out of crouches would work is interesting. Jeff, despite being about 30 lbs. heavier, was the shorter man. I pick Jeff in this one.

    The skill level had improved so much that it is difficult for me to imagine Jeff surviving against Louis or Liston, or doing anything but getting badly outpointed by someone like Tunney over 15 rounds, but against come forward sluggers, Jeff's size and toughness would give him a shot, and perhaps a good shot, despite being on the wrong side of the skill gap.
     
  12. janitor

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    Not really, all kinds of fighters pick up those sort of injuries!
    I would consider that preferable to going into the fight with a significant injury to one arm.

    It is remarkable that Jeffries even took the fight to be honest!
     
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  13. mcvey

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    Name another of that era who did ,and remember Jeffries ONLY HAD 22 FIGHTS!
     
  14. mcvey

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    GOOD POST.
     
  15. janitor

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    A broken nose is a relatively common injury in professional boxing.

    Jeffries was not exactly a Tom Sharkey style mess later in life.
     
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